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^ i agree

i cant believe this thread is still going. is this the longest one on this forum?

@domokato:

Is a big mac nutritious? I would say yes, because it contains protein, carbs, dairy, and some veggies.

I would say no, since it contains such negligible nutrition. That is what all the studies say that I told you about. It contains an extremely high amount of fat and extremely high amount of sodium (as you accepted) but FYI the portion of vegetables (onion/pickle) are so small as to be nutritionally irrelevant. Iceberg lettuce is also essentially nutritionally void, like white potato which is why white potato does not count as a portion of vegetable despite BEING a vegetable.

White processed bread also does virtually nothing for you, not all carbs are good. Yes it does contain dairy in the cheese, so does ice cream, so does a Mars bar, but it doesn't make it nutritious or healthy. Yes it contains protein and energy, but so do lots of foods. We also don't really need much protein, yet that is mainly what you get besides a load of fat and salt. Sure its yummy, I ate it again today! But why do you think any of this means it can be called nutritious? Something isn't "nutritious" just because it has some nutrients in it. Nutritious refers to HEALTH, it needs to have an abundance of nutrients. I challenged Aaron to find someone relevant using the term in another way and he didn't even attempt it. EVERY relevant source I checked uses the term nutritious to be synonymous with healthy.

McDonalds burgers are what you'd call empty calorie foods because so much of it is processed, its the opposite to a food that is "nutritionally dense". (Yes these are real terms I'm not making them up.) This, as you might expect, is a bad thing.

I'll point out something else, a Mars bar can be argued is good for you if your nutrient levels are low enough but a Mars bar as I think everyone accepts is still an unhealthy food.

I've said all this all before, why are you making me repeat myself?

Is a big mac balanced? Not really; it has a lot of sodium and fat for a single meal.

So Skeptoid is wrong by claiming its well balanced in every food group. At least someone has decided to disagree with Dunning about something. Apparently some people here seem to think he can't be wrong for some reason.

It also has along with loads of fat and salt, as I said, processed cheese and processed white bread and tiny irrelevant amounts of vegetable. Thats also why its not balanced.

Is a big mac therefore unhealthy? We can't really answer this because there is no clear line between a healthy and unhealthy food. At least with "diets" we can go by the RDA metric. Maybe in common parlance we might say a big mac is unhealthy as shorthand for "don't eat more than 1 per day", but I'd say you can only really judge the entire diet as healthy or not.

Confusing diet with the individual foods again? Why do you all ignore the comparison to me eating a Mars bar? If I eat that Im going to be fine and not go over my RDA in anything bad, so does that mean its not unhealthy? Of course not.

And I also already showed you that the scientific consensus is that fast food (high fat, high salt, empty calorie) is that they are not healthy. Yet you and Aaron just want to ignore all that and apparently rely exclusively on your own opinion of nutrition where you make up your own definitions and rules. Well that's fine, but lets not pretend its supported by science, it isn't. If you disagree I again challenge you to find any expert sources that agree with you, that really is the only thing left unless you want me to show you more evidence of how nutritionists understand to be a "well balanced" diet and what is "nutritious" and how unhealthy they consider fast food to be.

So Bill just keeps rambling the same nonsense he's been rambling from the start.

Hey Bill, keep pushing your conspiracy theory man.Why is it no experts agree with you again? Ah well. I know you keep claiming they exist, somewhere! It must be really annoying to not even be able to give a single example.

Btw if I may remind everyone of a particularly stupid argument Bill made:

Tell you what. I am going to start feeding you poop. I will agree to pay a fee for it. (By the way, I don't think this is going to solve the problems your going to have when I get poop in your mouth.). Now which is more healthier poop or a McDonald's hamburger.

So according to Bill, no foods can ever be called unhealthy since "poop" is always more unhealthy.

That's the bottom line for Bill, and I do accept under these terms compared to "poop" McDonalds food is pretty damn healthy!

so why do you eat it. are you a hypocrite?

Inside Job wrote:

so why do you eat it. are you a hypocrite?

Hey why don't you make me laugh and explain exactly why I would be a hypocrite?

lol

Like i said...I think it might have had a better affect if you'd done it to a pro-Zeitgeister....

I guess you could do it again, but still.

So again, were ALL of you in on it or just Bill and Matt?

@Ed TZM does make horrible arguments. Reading through VTV's post I couldn't find any data in their at all, this also includes Peter in that thread I was reading. It was so mind numbing to see "you have no data show the data" coming from VTV, when the economist clearly showed the data. Ed look back to the part about "well their is a reason I'm the spokesperson of the venus project" but I had modded it, thought that was a bit funny what VTV said. LOL

VTV had said that he wanted to give "rat poison" to the economist I thought that was a bit harsh for anyways so I Modded it to poop.

you are a hypocrite because you were talking about how bad it was then admitted to buying and eating it.

Is this a serious question?

What foods do you consider unhealthy that you still choose to eat/drink? Cake? Chocolate bars? (or candy bars as you say in the US) Ice Cream? Coca-Cola drinks (coke, fanta, sprite) etc? Doughnuts?

We choose to eat foods we know are unhealthy all the time, but I'm not going to sugar coat (pun intended) how unhealthy they are to make me feel better. McDonalds burgers and fries are not healthy foods, but they taste nice!

If I was saying they were an evil corporation and that no one should eat it you could call me a hypocrite and it would make sense.

@Bill:

"Ed look back to the part about "well their is a reason I'm the spokesperson of the venus project""
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Yes I just had a look back, you really had me going. Im quite glad as I really was amazed you appeared to be THAT crazy. Promise me you will do this in an argument with a Zeitgeist Movement member at some point. Even better, it would be fun to do so to VTV or as a video response to Peter

This went from being a horrible vacuum of bullshit to my favorite thread ever.

I wasn't pretending; but I knew Bill was. He had told us from the beginning on IRC.

then i apologise ed. but just to clarify, could you please sum up for me the point you were trying to make?