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@Switch Quite frankly. No. I was attempting to demonstrate for you how absurd the idea that Learning in schools is not as good as learning on the internet.

I do not trust you as a source when it comes to your successful rebuking all of the points. However, that aside I don't really care what happened before you got here. You had a agenda and decided to push so you participated in a debate here wherein you were going to emphatically prove that our idea was about learning from schools is good was not going to work for your agenda. So far you have failed to do this. And have instead proven that you don't understand the idea in the first place.

I have already given you evidence. I have provided links to a great deal of it and you are simply refusing to research it. Again, I am not going to spend hours re-typing every piece of information needed to present here for a single person to read who refuses to do the research himself before he makes grandiose claims that he can emphatically prove we are wrong about something he doesn't even understand.

Sigh....

There is science to back up a lot of what we say. There are also tons examples in this thread of learning information from the internet is not as educational as learning information at a school supported by academics. I have suggested you review the material and your refusing to do so.

We are suggesting a scientific approach to why learning in school is better as opposed to making up data to meet a agenda. That's all we have ever said it was.

Again, the material is all here.I suggest you read it. I am not going to re-type it for you. If you went through all the effort to make up those numbers you can put some effort into studying what it is you claim to be able to emphatically prove wrong.

"The numbers that you created to make your point about why learning in schools is bad proved that you are just making up numbers out of thin air to illustrate your point."

If you must know the real instance of time that I pull 15% from, it is from having an intellectual debate with my father the evening after I wrote my essay. He is a man who likes to think like this, and he is the one who asked me to pull this number out of thin air FOR him. Then he did it himself to justify what he had to say. That's great, I had an awesome conversation with my dad over the things I think and his way of thinking helped further that conversation.

You even created fictional scenerios then claimed you had demonstrated something when you hadn't at all.

Which scenario did I come up with was fictional? If you recall, my source is my experience in time.

The biggest point here Switch, is that we propose a scientific approach as to why learning in schools is better that people with a agenda with schools such as yourself spend all their time trying to justify why all schools are bad by discrediting their educational facilities.

Here is how I feel about science. I do not wholly and completely believe in the laws of physics, because I do believe in magic. If you have never seen magic, then maybe you just aren't looking hard enough. I do not wholly and completely believe religion. Because obviously it has blinded the faithful. And if Jesus was the man he said he was, then he did do magic.

A School of today compared to School ten years from now would likely be very different as far as educationally speaking but as it stands today all schools are better for learning that learning from the internet.

This is why my thesis exists right here right now.

I gave you sources and now your just going to say you don't trust the sources. I gave you sources and now your just going to say you don't trust the sources.

You are right. I do not trust your sources. Can you really tell me when you make any statement that you truly put down all the brainwashing of your life? No you cannot. You take every experience you ever had to heart body mind and soul, and this in turn influences your way of thinking. Are you getting why we are having this discussion the way it is playing out yet?

@Switch Cool. Can you link these numerous studies?

That's a nice attempt to deflect my sound point here, but it doesn't get you off the hook. The point being that learning in schools is better. You didn't even try to refute that. (Big surprise, because you can't.) Not that your point even holds water as again you cannot account for everything.

Did you review the the material that's in this thread? I am interested to hear you refute the numbers that Agent Matt, a very knowledgeable person put together.

Yes, in the three posts you explained the model you follow. And in those posts you stated somehow that it was perfectly fine to have a agenda about schools and yet your not bias. Insulted everyone's intellect by expecting us to believe that learning in schools is not educational. And went on to say learning in schools will hinder a person in life from intellectual stimulation.

I do not believe you when you say you have reviewed all of the material because if you had you wouldn't be asking most of these questions. I have also linked you to some research articles on various facets of this subject in previous posts throughout this thread. I will compile them again here, and add a few.

(Go back and read over Agent Matt threads in this post, to see the hard data about why your wrong)

But review what I have shown you for the moment.

Way to misrepresent what I said.

I use the word "preaching" because obviously you're here to convert people to whatever stupidity you promote, hoping they won't take 2nd and 3rd looks into what you write.

Way to misrepresent my ideas.

I used the word "preaching" because obviously that is not at all what I am here to do.

@Switch Cool. Can you link these numerous studies? Sure. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forums/topic/not-a-college-essay?replies=98 Thats the beginning of it.

Jackass, look at my first reply to your post, page 1. You are actually dumb.

You wont do it with such unpersuasive and poorly executed essays.

You wont do it with such unpersuasive and poorly executed essays.

What is the purpose of writing the first draft of an essay?

What is the purpose of writing the first draft of an essay?

I don't know, but "putting it on a webforum and reacting like a douche when people criticize it" doesn't sound right to me.

@Switch You are now simply ignoring the information that is being given to you and repeating yourself claiming that we haven't given you any information. If this is going to be the extent of your debate this is not going to be going on much longer.

You just ignored my point and say schools are not good for learning. So, please explain to me how you will justify how schools are not good for learning? Oh wait, I pointed that out and you ignored it too. You still expect us to believe this naive or ignorant claim that schools are not good for learning. I am sorry, all of my experience says otherwise.

First of all, the reason people are saying "you have a agenda" is because in your own words you started at the start of this that you had a agenda and was going to find data that was against School's a educational facility. And you tried to do so. And failed.

Then you tried to say you have mathematical modeling but you basically made up some numbers that were not based on any actual statistics. You also drew up charts that were based on your own flawed understanding. Since there was no data for you to of been pulling from it further proved that your numbers were contrived.

Many people in this thread including myself have linked you to various scientific studies that backed up our claims. You are simply ignoring them. (This I might add is something you would not be able to get away with in a verbal debate. Because you ignoring our points would be incredibly obvious. So instead I have say multiple times that you are either ignoring or conciously trying to pretend we didn't say because it does not bode well for your argument or agenda.

There are already scientific studies that have been done that back up what we are suggesting. We linked them. you ignored them. Because it is better for you in this text based debate format to simply repeat that we never gave you any information then to acknowledge or do the work to review what we did link to you. In the hopes that nobody will notice that your ignoring it. It's a common debate tactic on internet forums and the reason I prefer voice chat debates. I also gave you an example of a "model" that we use as an example of a School's academic study that says that learning in schools is the best form of education. You brushed that off by saying that study isn't credible as if this somehow made my point irrelevant. Another thing you could not get away with in a voice chat debate as I would of called you on it right that very second. Instead people listening to this debate have to wade through all of this and hopefully pick up everything you missed or intentionally failed to address.

Again, you are either not reading what we are posting to you, or intentionally pretending we didn't give you the information we did. You just keep repeating yourself over and over again in this post saying something that is not true hoping people will believe it.

"If you repeat the lie often enough it becomes truth..."
*bangs...head...on...keyboard*

I AM GOING TO PUT THIS IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AS FOR SOME REASON YOU HAVE MISSED IT EVERY TIME PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD OR MYSELF HAVE TOLD YOU OR PROVIDED YOU WITH EXAMPLES. YOU CLAIM TO OF READ THE THREADS INSIDE HERE YET SOMEHOW YOU MISSED THE POINTS WE HAVE MADE. IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY READ THROUGH THE THREADS I RECOMMENDED YOU ALL OF THE DATA YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS PRESENTED BY PROFESSIONALS. WE GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF HOW EARNING IN SCHOOLS IS THE BEST FORM OF EDUCATION. YOU IGNORED THIS EXAMPLE.

I want to believe this is an elaborate troll.

Matt. I want to take the time now to tell you that I love you. Haha, no seriously, every piece you write made me laugh back in the Fall. I think you were the one who even started the thread on marijuana legalization that inspired me to join this forum. If the person who responded to my e-mail is here, then he should know that this is why I joined. Because marijuana being illegal for you, and marijuana becoming a medical drug, is inherently bad.

Are you just trying to piss off a troll? If you are the person who has not read a word I wrote. Then go away. You are uneducated.

Really? Putting it up for all of my peers to review across the world so that I can challenge my idea and change the way I think about it personally is not the right way to go about doing exactly why I am doing what I am doing?

Putting it up is fine, it's the "thinking about it" part that people seem to have issues with. If you claim to be a genius who doesn't have to read shit, but argue that others should read your stuff word by word, without any particular reason, you won't find much support. That's all.