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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 18:57

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http://bit.ly/hdyZSk

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:02

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FireDogLake being intellectually dishonest as usual.

They're making it sound like people were asked "What do you like better: Teabaggers or Russia?"

They weren't. In typical moonbat fashion, FDL is being dishonest. They are conflating two entirely separate polls, with different people being polled in each, in order to form a narrative.

This is why Democrats call FireDogLakers "Firebaggers." Because they're just as stupid, ideological and dishonest as the Teabaggers. This is total bullshit.

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:04

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Hmm, okay. Well, thanks for letting me know. I've only been on FDL once or twice, but someone was talking to me about it on skype, I googled it and this is what came up top. How do you know it's two separate polls?

EDIT: doesn't matter, worked it out.

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:07

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I'm sure it will spread on moonbat sites just as fast as the bullshit I posted about SCOTUS did on wingnut* sites.

*Deal with it Brenton ;P

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:10

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Hmmm, well, doubt it. It's already been out 3 days. Granted, every bit of me hopes that socialism is preferred over the tea parties.

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:11

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Neither one are worth a damn.

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:13

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Well, Socialism is only like the basis of modern society but whatever...

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:14

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How do you figure that?

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:22

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So I'll take it, NWO Florist, that you don't agree with government bail outs or obamacare?

Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:24

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Government bailouts worked.

There's no such thing as Obamacare.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:25

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Parliamentary Democracy is... kinda socialist honey.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:26

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Sorry, universal health care.

I know it worked. It is socialism.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:40

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"Parliamentary Democracy is... kinda socialist honey."

Grossly oversimplified. And the United States is a representative democracy, not parliamentary.

"Sorry, universal health care."

I don't think you know much about the healthcare bill Nic. There is no universal healthcare. So fail.

"I know it worked. It is socialism."

I'd like to see you support such an absurd statement.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:48

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Well, Socialism is only like the basis of modern society but whatever...

Totally untrue. Unless your definition of "socialism" is way, WAYYYYYY broader than, say, how real socialists define it.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:56

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My definition of socialism would be that anything which results in power/influence for the lower classes is ... socialist (or, it can be oppositely defined when it's used by dictators/etc). In traditional Capitalism you either go without those things, or climb the ladder - in an increasingly socialist society you get those things no matter what rung of the ladder you stand on.

"Parliamentary Democracy is... kinda socialist honey."

Grossly oversimplified. And the United States is a representative democracy, not parliamentary.

Well I didn't say I was talking about the US, but the modern world.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 19:57

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You're right, I don't. As my country's health care system has been far better for far longer. Still doesn't stop it from being socialism.

Government bails outs are how privately own companies nationalise their losses.

(Facepalm) please use wikipedia Brenton

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:00

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My definition of socialism would be that anything which results in power/influence for the lower classes is ... socialist.

I think that definition is a fundamental misunderstanding of what socialism really is.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:03

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Well, Socialism is a political theory based on creating a culture where the institutions of society are to exist for the common good of all - so any institution that does that is socialist, at least in a very light way in terms of it's behaviour. I'll grant that an organisation can behave in a socialist manner without necessarily identifying directly with socialism.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:05

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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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That's egalitarianism, not socialism.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:09

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Well, Socialism is a political theory based on creating a culture where the institutions of society are to exist for the common good of all...

That also describes fascism. In fact I doubt there has been a political theory on earth that wasn't premised on the idea that whatever the theory is will create a culture for the common good of all. Very poor definition, IMO.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:13

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You're kind of misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying 'when a cultural institution claims to exist for the good of all, therefore it does and therefore it is socialist'. I'm saying that when an institution behaves in accordance with that socialist ideal or continually strives toward it (even if it is not recognised as socialist), it then is socialist.

For example in traditional Capitalism and past cultures, it was typical that only certain individuals were deserving of the vote - a society is increasingly socialist, or behaving in an increasingly socialist manner, when the society has a long-standing track-record of giving all individuals the vote.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:14

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I thought the definition of a word was fixed. I didn't realise you could change the definition of a word to suit your own interpretation. Awesome!!!

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:17

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I don't see how I'm changing it, though do please elaborate. I'm sticking to the most basic idea of socialism which is supposed to be equality for all.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:19

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Brenton, as explained to you in the other thread, you can't just change the meaning of shit when you're wrong about something.

"You're right, I don't. As my country's health care system has been far better for far longer. Still doesn't stop it from being socialism."

I have no idea what you're trying to say. You can't just throw around isms.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:25

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Brenton, like I said, wikipedia.

Matt, I was agreeing that I do not know that much about Obama's healhcare bill. From what I could tell it is the government guaranteeing that those that can't afford health care will have the bill picked up by the government. Am I close?

How about I start throwing some jism around?

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:27

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"Am I close?"

No. And it's not "Obama's bill." Its the product of many peoples' work and many compromises.

"Am I close?"

No.

"How about I start throwing some jism around?"

You seemed to be saying something was still socialism. I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:28

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I don't need to Wikipedia anything. This is a completely different discussion than the Nazi-Socialist discussion because we're not talking about proving correlation between something, we're talking about the most basic definition of Socialism which if you were to Wikipedia yourself you'd realise I'm dead right on.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2011 - 20:30

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Brenton stop trolling.

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