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I've been wanting to disbelieve these conspiracy theories about the NWO...but I keep finding more information that seems to be supporting conspiracy theories than pages debunking them (there are so few sites on debunking CTs).

Anyway, it seems the UN has been into some rather alarming things (at least by my standards...I still believe in some parts of Christianity).

Please read these and tell me you don't think there's at least something strange going on:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_22_17/ai_n25037153/</p>

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_un05.htm</p>

Why is there pagan imagery of the god Pan in their meditation room? That's really strange and I can't think of any good reason for it. And why is the Lucis Trust (formerly called Lucifer Publishing Company) affiliated with the UN? They've also had a channeler present at more than one meeting (Kryon was at more than one SEAT meeting at the UN), etc.

Is the New Age just some gigantic conspiracy?

About why images of "pagan" gods are used, you need to realise that non christian gods are only evil in the eyes of Christians. Roman and Greek gods are commonly used as symbolism as it was the Roman and Greek civilizations that preceded Europe as we know it today.

It's not like anyone is worshipping these gods, they are just using images of them (which i guess is 'idolatry' to christians)

The god 'Pan' usually represents nature and was a significant figure in the Romantic movement in Europe. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism.</p>

I found something about the 'Lucifer Trust' here: http://lucistrust.org/en/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/the_esoteric_meaning_of_lucifer

Ez should write articles and become a contributor.

"#fail"

Brenton, this isn't Twitter bro.

http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/bailey.html

What a nasty woman.

Thank you for your replies. I've been doing some research as well as reading your posts and I feel a bit better about some things. I'm still a bit disturbed by the following quote: "a new world order requires a sense of moral obligation.... We need a spiritual catalyst to bring about change," said Samuel Insanally, a former president of the UN General Assembly.

By the way, Ez really should right articles and become a contributor, as Wolf Bird said

I'm trying to find sources for the quote. But I do know the UN has used the phrase "new world order.":

http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/guyana/cache/offonce/pid/3591;jsessionid=2DB99E79C185218689FD24E050CDEB10

I've found information about the channeler being present at the the UN's Society for Enlightenment and Transformation...on non-CT websites. But not necessarily on a UN website.

I'm looking for a source for the quote. I admit it could potentially be a fake quote

If it does turn out to be a real quote, I guess there is a non CT way of looking at it, too. I found out "new world order" is just a sort of political phrase. And just because he desires a spiritual catalyst, I guess it doesn't mean the UN is planning to create one.

Haven't found a source. The quote just may be fake. The UN does seem to like using the term new world order a lot, though. Maybe people should realize that it's just a political phrase.

I'm understanding more these days that CTs don't seem to check their facts. They still use Leo Taxil quotes to support the "theories", and yet, he confessed that it was an elaborate hoax, and explained in detail.

And I found out the stained glass window with the god Pan was made for them by Chagall, as a gift. It had different images and not just the god Pan (and it might not even be Pan, but a Faun) I somehow don't think Chagall was part of a conspiracy...although, I wouldn't be surprised if people made stuff up about him. I think it really was just romanticism.

Thankfully, I've read enough on the Taxil hoax to know that it just wouldn't add up for him to have been forced into saying that.

Oh, my. And there's this quote: "The entrance to the Meditation room at U.N. headquarters in New York is 33 feet long and eighteen feet wide (6 + 6 + 6 = 18)!"

It doesn't add up to that unless you divide the number, which doesn't even make sense to do *headdesk*.

Oops...sorry about the triple post

Why do people think the phrase new world order = conspiracy?

I searched and searched and I still couldn't find a non CT source for the quote. I suppose it was made up. I wonder why someone would invent it?

The only explanation I can think of that might still make it a real quote is that the source for it is a video or something. But that seems so unlikely. I can't imagine the conspiracy theorists not posting it everywhere if they had "evidence" like that. And even then, the quote still wouldn't be evidence of a conspiracy, when I really think about it.

By the way, even Wikipedia has sources for it being a political phrase: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics)

Thanks again, for having patience with me. I get many anxiety attacks

"I wonder why someone would invent it?"

Because many CTers spend hundreds of hours going through this shit, so they've bought into this nonsense as much as you can.

If one little fake quote gets the "sheeple" to "wake up", by their logic it's justified, isn't it?

It's always sensible to look at one's motives - if admitting they're wrong would mean that they've wasted years of their lives, it's usually useless to even start a discussion, they'll distort the facts as they go along. You can only hope to win over some of the audience, if there is any.