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How is Kuwait not an RBE ?

Baring in mind, that the term is very vague in the first place...

Surely its the perfect RBE, you don't have to work, tons of money for everyone!

Sounds like an RBE to me..

I don't imagine any TZM'er objecting to living there offhand..

Incidently, I must try and not to be amused when I see Matt cranky, for some reason I have this vision in my head of him being a Krankie!

Holy shit you're dumb. Its a fucking Arab emirate slave state you retard.

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Kuwait has a geographically small, but wealthy, relatively open economy with self-reported crude oil reserves of about 102 billion barrels - about 9% of world reserves. Petroleum accounts for nearly half of GDP, 95% of export revenues, and 95% of government income. Kuwaiti officials have committed to increasing oil production to 4 million barrels per day by 2020. Kuwait survived the economic crisis on the strength of budget surpluses generated by high oil prices, posting its tenth consecutive budget surplus in 2008, before slipping into deficit territory in 2009. Kuwait has done little to diversify its economy, in part, because of this positive fiscal situation, and, in part, due to the poor business climate and the acrimonious relationship between the National Assembly and the executive branch, which has stymied most movement on economic reforms. Nonetheless, the government in 2009 passed an economic development plan that pledges to spend up to $140 billion in five years to diversify the economy away from oil, attract more investment, and boost private sector participation in the economy. Increasing government expenditures by so large an amount during the planned time frame may be difficult to accomplish.

current situation: Kuwait is a destination country for men and women who migrate legally from South and Southeast Asia for domestic or low-skilled labor, but are subjected to conditions of involuntary servitude by employers in Kuwait including conditions of physical and sexual abuse, non-payment of wages, confinement to the home, and withholding of passports to restrict their freedom of movement; Kuwait is reportedly a transit point for South and East Asian workers recruited for low-skilled work in Iraq; some of these workers are deceived as to the true location and nature of this work, and others are subjected to conditions of involuntary servitude in Iraq
tier rating: Tier 3 - Kuwaiti government has shown an inability to define trafficking and has demonstrated insufficient political will to address human trafficking adequately; much of the human trafficking found in Kuwait involves domestic workers in private residences and the government is reluctant to prosecute Kuwaiti citizens; the government has not enacted legislation targeting human trafficking nor established a permanent shelter for victims of trafficking (2009)
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> Kuwait is not an RBE

You need to be better than TZM style debating...

Why is it not ?

I reckon RBE in very simple TZM member logic is, 'I don't have to work and still get paid', now Kuwait satisifies that requirement, and the other aspects are of no real importance, especially not for Kuwait citizens who drive up to a fast food outlet and get someone to come to their car because they are too lazy to even drive through the drive through part..

Sounds just like what TZM talks about an RBE being in the future to me..

Thats not to say its an RBE in what we would think of it as is.

I'm sure in time they will develop robot toilet cleaners..

Isn't that the TZM argument...

You do realise that your not actually arguing with me!

eg. Might we both agree that if we had an RBE world where no one had to work, that no one would work, and thus we would need private industry to develop solutions, because everyone would be too lazy to develop the machines in the first place...

I work, I just don't get paid yet..

Kinda like the oppersite of an RBE I suppose!

Now, I got to get back to work if you don't mind :-)

An RBE is not about working or not working. It's not about having stupid robots making everything either.

It's a boneheaded utopian fantasy for a world without money, but which miraculously has everything in abundance anyway.

Kuwait isn't even arguably close to that kind of society. Nanos, your argument is extremely shallow.

You've got a real beef with immigrants, unless they're slave labor for Kuwait I guess. Then its just fine.

You're one sick puppy.

Spoken like a true white nationalist.

White Pride Worldwide!

If all immigrants wasn't white that could be true, and if all people who don't like putting up with immigrants was white, that could also be true.

But as neither is the case, its just about immigration.

I've even seen one white neighbourhood complain about white immigrants from a nearby white neighbourhood coming in and taking their jobs and housing..

Immigration is a funny old issue, if you think about it, at what point do you draw the borders ?

Country wise ?

County wise ?

Town wise ?

North and West of the city ?

My street V your street ?

I think its more down to the unequalness of it all than peoples race or colour, when people jump queues, steal money, take jobs, it doesn't really matter who they are, only that it is happening.

I'm reminded of a nameless Indian neighbour of mine who is always complaining about the immigrants and how he has been on the waiting list for housing for 20 years, whilst they come and get a house in less than a year.

This being a particularly hard working person, whilst the immigrant he spoke of I personally knew to be rather a lazy and lacking such abilities as being able to put rubbish in a bin, but instead just let it pile up on his bedroom floor with all the cockroaches..

Back to the subject at hand, I'm probably going to do a blog on this book and how it explains the utter impossibility of the ZM ideology ever coming to pass. Doubt it will elicit more than the usual canned responses from Zeitgeisters, and I seriously doubt a single one of them will ever actually read it. But I'd like to be on record about it, for what it's worth.

No, CJ, I'll get responses like, "Yes, all of those other projects were failures, but TZM/TVP is different because it's going to be a SUCCESS!" and other ridiculous tautological statements that will illustrate precisely the arrogance and myopia that the author describes as typical of high modernist social engineering fiascos.

My blog on this book has gone up. Here it is:

http://muertos.blog.com/2010/10/23/seeing-like-a-state-why-zeitgeists-world-changing-visions-are-a-recipe-for-disaster/</p>

I didn't post it here on CS because it's only tangentially conspiracy-related. But if you all think it should be on CS's blog page as well, let me know and I'll add it.

I find it surprising that the critique of high modernism is in many cases a critique of details - creating broad spaces takes away the ability for small social groups to form, big community dining conflicts with the urge to eat with one's family or friends, communal child care to remove the effects of "bad" parenting produces anxious and paranoid children.

The critique in Seeing Like A State is far more substantive than that. I'm just not very good at encapsulating the very broad themes of the book into sound bites digestible in a blog.

Yes, I'm sure the Zeitgeisters will respond in the way you suggest. If any of them actually reads the book I'll be a monkey's uncle. But until they have and can attack Scott's points substantively, they don't have a leg to stand on in a debate.

You should post it here Muertos, it'll definitely get more reads.

@Muertos
Zeitgesters read books? That's a new one. Every Zeitgeist cult person I come across that recommends a book to me have not read the book they recommended to me themselves.