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DannyPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 13:45
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@lofi

"I fully agree with you there, the New Age crap is definitely hogwash...ever seen What the Bleep Do We Know? That movie would have been hilarious if it wasn't meant to brainwash.

Danny, can you think of another ideology that might be equally as absurd? You clearly practice conspiracy theoryISM. Do you yourself practice religion? Would you be able to tell me in clear words what sets that religion apart making it "true"?

I ask these questions because you are able to see the absurdity of your brother's new ageism, yet you don't see the absurdity of NWO/CT ideology or even traditional western religion.

You seem smart enough to at least experience some cognitive dissonance when considering these questions.

Think about it..."

It's all about faith. Atheist put there faith in science and "reasoning" as I do with Christianity and my choice to figure out "what the truth is." You call what I do Conspiracy Theory’s", but in reality, I'm much like many of you, I'm trying to figure out what's going and what we as people can do to better our country (that's the first priority), then we focus on the world (if they want it.) But first, we should have sufficient enough evidence to prove it; I guess that's where skeptics and truthers bump heads. That and, I'll agree SOME of the evidence is faulty, but let's not jump to conclusions that skeptic’s evidence is 100% right or without its own bias.

@Muertos

"I'm not sure I even understand what that means or what it is supposed to mean."

They prey on children. The victims get younger and younger, and that's past pathetic.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 14:15
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>>"I'm advocting that the wrong people don't have children, and by wrong people I mean drug addicts, violent offenders, rapist and other people who really don't need to be having any children, and what I mean by natural selection I mean we get rid of these people who do are society harm such as sex offenders,criminals, women beaters, child molesters, gang members and what not. These people are the worst are society has to offer. It may sound tyrannical, but if you start cappin' off pedophiles and rapist they'll get their shit together, if not they better find another country to live in.

And I'm sorry if i'm coming of as harsh too, but you sound like a typical grammar nazi, just because everyone doesn't use Firefox as their internet browser."

Okay, well that was definitely the wrong definition of natural selection so that's where my confusion arose from. And I would hardly consider myself a grammar Nazi at all, my point in saying that is that you were advocating that people with low IQ's should not be allowed to breed... so where do we draw the line?

From another thread:

>>"As I have stated, the whole New age crap is hogwash reiligon and slowly has it's fingers in the bowl of occultism. They idea that they use the aligning of planets to make predicitons is just retarded and you know it is. I'm fearful for my brother, so that's why I brought it up, because he's awoken to the truth and to the facts, but because of his obsession with this crap, who knows how he'll end up. I worry for him because I care. "

I don't find it any more retarded than some other form of making predictions. But as you said "It's all about faith".

>>"Atheist put there faith in science and "reasoning""

A lot of people besides atheists use science and reasoning, but it's not faith based... science is quantifiable.

>>"That and, I'll agree SOME of the evidence is faulty, but let's not jump to conclusions that skeptic’s evidence is 100% right or without its own bias."

Well it's good that you can recognize when the evidence is faulty, but jumping to a conclusion is something you do WITHOUT evidence, not with evidence.

Edit: >>"They prey on children. The victims get younger and younger, and that's past pathetic. "

I don't know if that's a growing trend or if it has always been that way. (Just harder to uncover).

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lofihigainPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 14:16
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The point is, that skeptics DON'T NEED EVIDENCE unless they are making a positive claim. They need YOUR evidence. The skeptic does not have the burden of proof, the person making the claim does.

Atheists do not put their faith in science. In fact, faith and the scientific method are like oil and water. Atheists simply do not believe in the existence of a god. You can be an atheist for irrational reasons, if you so choose (a lot of new agers are atheists). They might believe in god if there was conclusive evidence of its existence. After all, faith is belief without evidence.

Now, how is your faith any different from your brother's faith in new age mumbo jumbo? What sets your faith apart from his? What makes his more absurd than yours?

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DannyPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 14:20
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"Now, how is your faith any different from your brother's faith in new age mumbo jumbo? What sets your faith apart from his? What makes his more absurd than yours?"

It has history, there's proof that jesus was real and was on this earth. Where's the proof in the New Age "Let's all hold hands and sing and wait for a comet!"? None at all.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 14:52
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>>"It has history, there's proof that jesus was real and was on this earth. Where's the proof in the New Age "Let's all hold hands and sing and wait for a comet!"? None at all. "

Faulty analogy. More like if you said Jesus was real, then the planets are real. NOW what's the difference? Planets are older than Jesus, so there's your history.

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lofihigainPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 15:00
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"It has history, there's proof that jesus was real and was on this earth. Where's the proof in the New Age "Let's all hold hands and sing and wait for a comet!"? None at all."

The fact that Jesus was a real person has nothing to do with his supposed divinity. I want proof that he was the son of god, that he was resurrected, that I will go to hell for not believing, etc. The Bible does not constitute proof.

"New age" has no set definition...but it borrows from a number of ancient traditions, some of them far more ancient (with more history!!!) than Christianity.

Kabbalah, Buddhism, Gnosticism (which I might add was an early Christian cult-- predating the heavy influence that Paul eventually had on the church), and druidism are all major contributors to the new age movement.

So, is the older religion the more "correct" one?

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EdPosted: Apr 26, 2010 - 16:40
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It has history, there's proof that jesus was real and was on this earth.

There some reason to think a person that the Jesus character was based on existed, that's about it. There's no reason to think the tales attributed to him actually happened.

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DannyPosted: Apr 27, 2010 - 19:30
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"There's no reason to think the tales attributed to him actually happened."

Why not?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 27, 2010 - 19:38
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>> Why not?

Because there's no proof other than the Bible and vague outside mentions of some guy performing healings and so forth. You can find that now with gurus in India and other places.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 27, 2010 - 21:49
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Danny, lofi brought up a great point about how a lot of New Age stuff actually has things pulled from ancient religions predating Christianity. How do you feel about that?

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EdPosted: Apr 28, 2010 - 07:35
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Danny wrote:

Why not?

Well what historical evidence do we have that the stories are true?

One of the stories in Matthew says that the dead physically rose out of their tombs like some kind of zombie movie and went wandering around downtown Judea. You'd think that might be something we could verify, but only the writer of Matthew found that epic tale interesting to mention apparently even the other gospel writers didn't seem to care.

The stories ABOUT Jesus make Jesus a myth, even if at some point there was some guy that inspired the stories. There were various people around that time that we know fit a similar description, like the Essene Teacher of Righteousness.

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