Skeptic Project

Also some rather interesting admissions that "it is the core generator of interest- still- to this day for the movement"

He misses the point of course that eventually you run out of conspiracy theorists and are left with a movement that is discredited by its promotion of lies. Peter says that I should get with the program and not care if the movement promotes lies or not. It brings in new people! Therefore its good!

I let Brenton know since he agreed with me on conspiracy theories. I can't wait to see the repercussions of this.

hehe, well I will be making a video for my youtube channel and respond to his comments:

Also, here are screenshots of his comments:
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(in case they disappear at some point)

I like how he didn't comment on the factual accuracy of what I said in that thread or on anything I've ever said.

I'll look at any suggestions if anyone has any. :)

I wont re-register though.

Edward should do a post about it though I think Peter's admissions in this are too great to pass up.

Ah you see the difference though Matt?

What I'm saying isn't attracting people to the Movement the way his lie filled propaganda rubbish is, and I think its safe to call it propaganda for certain now since he essentially just admitted it ie. It doesn't matter if its true or not if it gets people in. Apparently Peter cant see how Zeitgeist can still be a blight on the Movement if it attracts people to it.

"Along with his "who is peter joseph?" video interview coming out at the absolute perfect time"

I still think that was a PR stunt to do damage control over the anticultist kids.

I just considered something else Peter said.

He complains that what I am saying is taking up bandwidth, why then does he allow these truthers to post all their crap? All my arguments started because THEY were promoting all these conspiracy theories and I was correcting them, and they only felt they could post them BECAUSE Zeitgeist promoted them all in the first place! I never tried to start any 911 debunking threads and the one time I did it got locked, how many times have they done that with conspiracy promoting threads? Never in so far as I can remember! So apparently its fine to promote conspiracies, thats an OK use of his expensive bandwidth, but correcting them... no that's just a waste in Peter's opinion.

From the same guy who said to be proven wrong should be celebrated as well! Amazing!

@Ed

I think he's far more concerned about the questions you raise, rather than the things you question. That is to say, you pointing out how fruitless the movement really is because of its associations, and your direct questioning of Peter himself.

At least Merola has finally come out and admitted that the Zeitgeist Movement is a conspiracy movement, is primarily powered by conspiracy theories and that its main driver for visibility is conspiracy theories.

And, as a 9/11 Twoofer, he lashed out and censored you despite your commitment to (I think, correct me if I'm wrong, at least agreement with) the non-conspiracy goals of the Venus Project.

Classic.

I'm doing an update on my Zeitgeist blog post to incorporate this. It's going on Twitter too.

It's interesting what the administrator wrote to the original poster who was asking too many questions:

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=240877#240949

Obviously you have taken little time to review our materials.
Very soon there will be a test to gain entrance into this forum for the sake of making sure these kinds of posts are at a minimum.
The Z Movies are merely inspirations for TZM. You have to actually review our materials to understand what we are doing.

Please review the following before posting more.

[...]

Until you do so, you really have no busniess being here.

For a movement that wants to change the world, it seems they are turning inward and becoming anti-social. They frequently say that the forums are not the movement, yet they want to keep anyone out who is not fully in support. Even the Loose Change forums have a subforum for skeptics to argue their case. There's no dialog with these people.

"I let Brenton know since he agreed with me on conspiracy theories."

I would be interested to know his reaction. Brenton spent quite a bit of time and effort on this forum defending the ZM and trying to convince us that it wasn't really about conspiracies and that the CTs couldn't be less important. Now it seems his boss has pulled the rug out from under that effort.

By the way well done Ed, I knew you could do it. Welcome to the banished club, do you feel any sense of relief yet ?

Hey ed,

I just read through the entire thread of which you were banned, and I must say, your responses were excellent. Just observing how TZM members respond to your posts can be used as a case study for psychology classes. Its AMAZING how they blatantly ignore your evidence. Even the moderators, and even PETER JOSEPH refuse to respond to your posts. If he didn't pop up, I might give him some slack, but his appearance just made it so much worse. I wonder if he realizes this...

It might be cool if we collect all of your posts on TZM forums and put it on a website/blog/whatever. Your rebuttals are some of the best and most well thought out that I've ever seen, especially for 9/11. Whatever sliver of conspiracy theory that was left in my head is forever eradicated.

- jimbo

Rejecting theories about 9/11, based on analysis, is narrow minded?

@Matt
Oooh good one. Glad to see you're at least trying to help... oh wait, I forgot you confuse destruction with creation. Silly me.

Since you're so obviously comfortable with name calling, it's clear you don't have any idea what the movement is about. The only thing I lament, is that it demands more from you than you are capable of. Thankfully, not everyone is like you; some human rise to the occasion in the face of adversity.

@ Brenton
What is the difference between improving the quality of collective understanding & pedantic, attrit ranting for attention?

@Matt
Now, to tell the truth, I’m not all that surprised that there are people who would rather tear their country apart than articulate an honest ideological opposition and help advance meaningful alternatives to the policies they dislike. But it’s not simply cynicism that teaches me this. It’s history. History is full of guys like you Matt; people intent on blocking human progress because no one listens to their soapbox.

The upside is, the whole "finding a little loophole and driving a wedge into" approach that you employ is slowly starting not to work. People are waking up, and I really have to wonder... how long will you persist with your hate, until someone learns to love you? My guess? Well... good luck.

Still waiting for your alternative solutions to our collective problems... Oh what's that? You don't have any? Surprise surprise.