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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 15:01

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This is my first forum debate against CT's since becoming normal.

I am not too satisfied with my performance, wish I had the knowledge on this stuff that some of the posters here have(I was also stoned). Being a former CT I really want to knock some sense into these people, and help them.

I did rip off stuff here and there from CS, hope that's ok. Small stuff like a sentence here and there.

My name on this thread is Keppman.

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 15:08

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Genuine American Monster

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"I did rip off stuff here and there from CS, hope that's ok."

Of course. That's why I refuse to debate CTs in chat format. I want that shit available for others to reference.

Muertos

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:28

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Paid Disinformation Blogger

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Meh. They're coming back at you with the usual "you're arrogant and closed-minded" crap that CTs use against debunkers.

Say you're more open minded as they are, and say that when you see real evidence that doesn't consist of YouTube links and conspiracy websites you'll believe it. You know, like the way the evidence shows that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or that Osama did 9/11.

I'm really tempted to troll that site and post a bunch of debunker links.

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:33

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Genuine American Monster

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Some people think being open minded means you have to believe any garbage someone tells you.

Of course, they're not close minded when it comes to disregarding everything in mainstream news. Because that's disinfo.

Muertos

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:37

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They're happy enough to believe mainstream news when it tells them that the hijackers are still alive or that Afghanistan documents got leaked to Wikileaks.

sorry

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:39

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The need to be right screws everything up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias</p>

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:42

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They've just never heard of or fully understood confirmation bias.

Poor unskilled CT people just think they're being open minded

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:43

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Genuine American Monster

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I wish I was closed minded. Then I wouldn't be wrong so often.

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:49

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I'm still waiting for the anti semitic stuff to start any moment now from engine kid.

I cannot believe I almost fell for the anti semitic CT's myself. This website really prevented me from entering into a very ugly place.

Muertos

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 16:53

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I'm glad we could help, Kepp.

The vast majority of feedback we get is extremely negative, i.e., "YOU GUYZ R SHILLS FOR THE NWO!!!!!" so it's nice to hear a success story once in a while.

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Sil the Shill

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:30

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"all those corporations like Google and Facebook, etc

are all owned by the same um ethnic group who run the CIA and USA government

you basically cannot and will not become a huge player without taking their blue pill
they will take you into a dark basement where a circular group of men in suits grill you on your background and discuss national security. they will tell you there are things you must now do for your country. you will be enlisted whether you like it or not.

Just ask Jesse Ventura what happened when he unexpectedly won Governor of Michigan.
He was taken to a dark deep room in an unmarked building, where 20 men in suits sat around a semi circle and told him exactly how things will go. He asked who they were and they refused to answer. He left that room shaken, and stunned by the truth of the world. "

An anti-semetic CT'er, that's a first.

Guys, of course it's true. Jesse Ventura said it! I wonder why he didn't mention any of this until AFTER he got into the CT crap. Regardless of your belief system, 20 random strangers pulling you into a dark room seems like something that you would tell regardless. Obviously, he wasn't scared or threatened by them since he ended up retelling the event later, right? Oh CT'ers, you are so amusing.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:34

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Fake CT conversation replies:

"oh but Jesse told the story so he could protect his life, they would unlikely kill him if everyone was watching out for him to be mysteriously killed, it would prove he was right and everyone would know he was telling the truth"

hmmmm But what about JFK ? Didnt he open his mouth and get killed for it ?

"ermmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

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Sil the Shill

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:37

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Kepp, still reading through the thread now... and I haven't finished. But if you ever deal with this engine fellow, if he ever brings up how like "The Jews" control Hollywood and everything of that sort (like he seemed to imply with his Facebook/Google comment), I think a really good point to drive home is the one either Muertos or Edward made in one of the hate mails. That is, that companies are more or less controlled by their shareholders. 'Hollywood' in particular has several production companies that are owned by Sony, who I can only imagine has a primarily Japanese shareholder base.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:52

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"the evidence is all around you, it's real, its palpable
how come you can't see it or smell it? "

Hehe

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:54

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Genuine American Monster

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If CTs would take just a little bit of time to understand how the three branches of government function, they would realize that almost every conspiracy theory is totally absurd and implausible.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:59

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Can anyone confirm enginekids signature?

"All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-- David Rockefeller; Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 17:59

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Genuine American Monster

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I'll bet its bullshit.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:03

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According to this page here:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/migration-2.htm#1</p>

The quote is referenced to here:

1.David Rockefeller speaking at the UN, Sept. 14, 1994. 109.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:04

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Genuine American Monster

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That is not a credible source. That's fringe rightwing Christian stuff.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:05

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Either way im not validating just showing where they say its come from.
One would need to listen to the speech and verify it, at least we know its supposed origin to check

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:06

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Genuine American Monster

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No we don't. CTs invent quotes all the time that never happened at all.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:08

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oh alright well you say it never happened and I will see if it doesnt exist by finding the speech if I can just to make sure that it does not exist.

I think thats probably the most efficient way.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:10

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Genuine American Monster

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I said I'll bet it never happened and I said CTs invent quotes all the time. Neither statement states that.

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Sil the Shill

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:13

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"Can anyone confirm enginekids signature?

"All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-- David Rockefeller; Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group. "

Pretty sure it's a crock of shit, you can only find it on CT sites. But in addition to that, depending on which CT site you visit... the speech is cited differently. Sometimes a different date, sometimes a different conference. So that really puts it's credibility into question.

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http://search.un.org/search?q=David+Rockefeller+speech+1994&btnG=Search+the+UN&spell=1&ie=utf8&output=xml_no_dtd&client=UN_Website_English&num=10&lr=lang_en&proxystylesheet=UN_Website_en&oe=UTF-8&sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&entqr=0&ud=1&site=un_org

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:15

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I'm searching the UN website I have gotten this far.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:17

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Genuine American Monster

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Wikipedia entries concerning David Rockefeller and the year 1994:

Rockefeller has often hosted visits by foreign dignitaries to New York. One such occasion occurred in 1994 and concerned the visit of the Emperor and Empress of Japan. Rockefeller co-hosted their reception at the Metropolitan Museum of Art with the chairman of the New York Times Company, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., who was also chairman of the museum; among the audience were Helmut Schmidt of Germany, Sir Edward Heath of Great Britain and Jacques Chirac of France.

In 1992, at a Council sponsored forum, Rockefeller proposed a "Western Hemisphere free trade area", which subsequently became the Free Trade Area of the Americas in a Miami summit in 1994. His and the Council's chief liaison to President Bill Clinton in order to garner support for this initiative was through Clinton's chief of staff, Mack McLarty, whose consultancy firm Kissinger McLarty Associates is a corporate member of the Council, while McLarty himself is on the board of directors.

# Co-founded, funded and on the Advisory Committee of the David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies (DRCLAS) at Harvard (1994-).

World Monuments Fund's Hadrian Award (For preservation of Art and Architecture) (1994);

I don't see jack squat about Rockefeller saying anything to the UN in 1994.

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Sky

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:21

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It is usually not hard to verify or disprove a quote that came from from a book or article, but a quote from a private meeting is usually imposable to check out.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM8NpjmXD00&feature=related

Posted: Jul 30, 2010 - 18:21

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Im watching this video from 1995 where CT's cry about him talking about population control.

Still watching this to see if it's in there.

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