Skeptic Project

It's a cover for an underground child porn ring.

RBOSE has forums O_o

Any plans that will be tangible in the near future?

(not trying to be condescending)

Is it basically TVP without conspiracy theories?

Kind of like "Jews for Jesus"...doesn't make much sense. Still, as long as there are no conspiracy theories involved, I don't really care.

Didn't that Zeitgeist funding foundation get shut down because it was going to be too much paperwork to get them listed as a legalized NPO? I mean, how can you change the world when you won't even fill out some papers...

Edit:

The original quote was "You need to be non-profit organization to do that, and that is big hassle, takes allot time and hard to do with just a few members."

Sorry guys, it's just too much of a hassle to potentially increase our viability as an organization tenfold.

hhmm RBOSE stands for resource based open source environment but the name doesn't really matter. To put it simple it's a project (or a group depending upon the person) that supports open source everything.

Group originally started out as TZM developers (not everybody was in TZm that was collaborating with us within TZM developers but hey that was ok. Then eventually TZM admins were made because we allowed Grits onto out mumble server. They got so pissed off that they were trying to force us to bann the guy, then they told all the developers to move to TS3 which I imagine then they would have more control over what we do. We simply said no, and at that Peter Merola announced on his webblog radio thing that TZM developers meetings are held in TS3 which is in fact not true and the developers were a bit pissed off that a guy they had nothing to do with the developers group was basically dictating orders to us... On top of this TS3 isn't open source and mumble is why would we go onto something that isn't even a real developers platform...

As such we made a letter to Peter that took 3 weeks to do. A guy called Gman was pretty much stalling us on the letter or we would of released the damn thing in probably three days... Well the letter didn't work (like i didn't see that one coming). Long story short lots of shitte happened TZM people were spreading lies and propaganda like no ones business amongst it's members and Peter Merola decided to step in and blacklist RBOSE decreeing it's a harbor for trolls and unwanted misfits of TZM. Kind of reminds me of Rodolph the red nose reindeer and the misfits island thing LOL.

RBOSE was originally intended as a joke and then it looked more and more like a nice concept to work on. Their are a lot of projects going on from wiki, to reprap to PS2 cluster etc... We hold meeting whenever a person wants to talk about something. I'd call it a type of organized chaos since a lot of us have real jobs we get to it when we get to it. I personally support education nd not the education of conspiracy theories but education of programming languages and how to things and in the future would like to hold classes on programming building etc... RBOSE has already had a few classes on learning python.

RBOSE structure: has no leader, is flat as possible if their is structure it's because a individual of a project is contributing the most and naturally should have the most say on a project. In general their isn't one structure per sey that's the best in RBOSE. RBOSE supports splitting as they occur naturally in nature stuff just simply happens and instead of disassociating and labeling a group we try to support the group. I was talking to Eric and he says we're with technocracy maybe or anarchism which "anarchism" was never in my vocabulary before I have to say it's very appealing and I'm glad he gave me something to think about because I agree with it very much.

I have a lot of criticisms with RBOSE for one I think we may need a better platform for presenting projects but then again I'm unsure on that one. I'd like to have more local collaboration no projects and the current platform right now it doesn't really support it so I suppose it's easier just to recruit people for projects that are interested but to be honest idk what would be the best course of action. Their seems to be confusion for me at least if RBOSE is still a project or a group I look at it as a never ending project but others look at it as a group or at that a team. I'm unsure if it will work and the odds are stack against us that it won't but I don't really care I suppose; I just enjoy the work and collaboration and if people take look to us great if not great I'm happy it just being a small group of 5 or 10 to be honest. RBSOE in general like anything in life is what you make out of it so it can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people to TZm it harbor trolls, to me it provides a unique environment (at least fro me) to attempt different types of collaborations outside of programming for others it's freedom and helping humanity.

Some people in RBOSE do believe in conspiracy theories but their free to believe in whatever. The majority of RBOSE came from TZM and a few of us are banned members from TZM. Some are doing collaborations with other groups and keep tabs what what's happening RBOSE wiki.

@Omni-Science
"Any plans that will be tangible in the near future?"

I suppose it depends on what you mean by tangible =P I remember in one RBOSE meeting someone was talking about making a robotic sex woman/man and justifying the need because he believed sexual desires block humanities academic and technological progression. The discussion went to the extent of cloning the looks of super models and programming them to like a individual even support abilities to have babies =P I'm unsure if the individual was being realistic. Then their are such people setting up solar panels at their houses, showing us how much power they produce and how they have been self sustaining for years without paying much of any utilities (exceptions would be internet bill but I heard of some of these individuals hichjacking a library connection or even doing satellite connections). Their is just a bunch of stuff like that so it depend on the person and their needs what they deem tangible. One guy could say nothing in RBOSE applies to them and therefore nothing is tangible or it blows without a reason another could say the complete opposite, and other could simply not care.

Why is your RBE different from TZM/TVP RBE?

Differences seem only to differentiate yourselves from TZM and are merely cosmetic.

When it comes to solutions and answers, I can't tell any difference.

we advocate the core axioms of TVP/TZM just not anything to do the conspiracy or the cult aspects

"we advocate the core axioms of TVP/TZM just not anything to do the conspiracy or the cult aspects"

Again, merely cosmetic as the core axioms of TVP and TZM are garbage.

Falkner did an extremely good job dissecting the RBE ideology. Until you have a rebuttal for that I see absolutely no reason to take it seriously.

I find it odd that you have been posting here for so long yet still adhere to that ridiculous New Age nonsense.

I see no reason to read anything further until you respond to Falkner's very detailed post on the subject.

"Could you direct me to this post."

Yeah, its on this forum.

See if you can fit finding it into your schedule.

> we advocate the core axioms of TVP/TZM

Perhaps if we could agree on what those actually are, we might know whether we all agree with them or not!

For me, the only real core axiom of TVP/TZM that exists is:

> This requires concrete experimentation

> people will figure out ways to fuck over the system...

I would recommend testing in an MMORPG environment as its cheaper, quicker/etc. way to spot people finding loopholes and can help you design systems in many ways before building physical systems.

Once you have physical systems, its always going to be a case of monitoring and spotting when people are trying to scam the system and adjusting your design accordingly..

> Money works

Agreed.

On the whole, at the moment I cannot see a future without it, but I can see a better future none the less.

oreolvrs: RBE won't work.

Billlllllll: RBE won't work.

Nanos: you're nuts.

"Perhaps if we could agree on what those actually are, we might know whether we all agree with them or not!"

That's actually not the worst idea. I've talked to some Zeitgeister in economics about the problem PJ sees or wants to see in capitalism, and he didn't even knew them. He just liked not having to work. Which is kinda stupid, as I still think that some of the points aren't that bad. The whole thing would be so much easier w/o the conspiracy nonsense.