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Hi let me just get this out of the way..........
I'm Canadian.

Well I sort of be keeping tabs on the USA's medical system changes and what not and to be honest it wasn't till a couple years ago I found out you guys had private health care.
Anyway long story short I keep hearing this non-sense that Obama is evil because he trying to implement universal heath care, and that is a bad thing, and usually that somehow ties into some irrelevant CT.

I'm a little confused, can someone from the states let me know why this is a bad thing and why Universal health could even remotely be some sort of CT, I simply just don't get it and the sources I'm viewing are not elaborating.

Yeah I get what your saying, I've seen a bunch of CT's trying to say the health care is the first step to getting "chipped" non sense like that, I don't get where that comes from, like you said maybe its just obma hating, maybe if he did order a BLT for lunch david ike would write a whole book about how the reptilians live on a steady diet of BLTS's.

BTW do any of you watch 24, in 24 president palmer is the first black president, and h mentions in one episode that he is trying to get a health bill passed, coincidence I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

That enough "Evidence" to convince a CT that 24 is put out by the Illuminati to tell us what going to happen in the future.

"BTW do any of you watch 24, in 24 president palmer is the first black president, and h mentions in one episode that he is trying to get a health bill passed, coincidence I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Jack Ryan > Jack Bauer

@Duncan many idiots in america make things up (for me mostly Southern Ohio righists). Some of the common things they say is "Just because Canada does it doesn't mean it's good" "you'll have a long long log wait in a line and the quality of healthcare in Canada is very very poor" "Not everybody can afford healthcare and it's GODS way of telling them they need to go (wish I was joking no that one)", One doctor I talked to even said something like "fuck, Universal healthcare, if a person can't pay for their medical bills they should be kicked out on the curb instead of the hospital taking a hit for them".

As I'm going into the medical field I do support universal healthcare if it's done smartly, unfortunately you'll have people who do not deserve it such as VTV take full advantage of it which sickens me... Overlooking that fact I do support it though, which could me less pay on my part, assuming also dropping the standards for nurses and doctors a bit to pump more into the system or taking on more foreign doctors, and more work but I do enoy work no matter what it is to be honest.

Emergency rooms are meant for emergencies. If preventative medicine was more available, people would not need to put off treatment until its an emergency.

Preventative care is far cheaper than all of the emergancy room care dished out. Catching something early or preventing it from happening would save billions. I can't remember the figure, but something like 1:16.7 is spent on preventive:cure care.

An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

Well said, Matt.
The lower middle-working class and certain minorities are the people that usually do not take enough steps to prevent themselves from having to visit the emergency room in the first place.

@Matt
What other problems in health care do you see, apart from the involvement of private businesses?

I know, but I see it as a problem.

I'm trying to get other people's opinion, but you know mine now as well. :3

Are you sure? Business wants to make money, while health care seeks to promote health.

I see a conflict of interest.

True. But just how well is our health care system managed?

No, of course they're not. Good point.

But Doesn't the allure for money cause people to get a "ends justify means" approach to vaccines or such though?

If Team A finds important info A, and Team B finds important info B, but they're competing for the money, they'll waste time and effort finding out what the other has, when they could just share the info and speed up the process.

As long as money is the traditional form of compensation, I don't see how it can inherently be bad. Omni-Science makes a valid point that there may be a conflict of interest when money is involved with health care. However, I don't see any other way of doing it. You can't have health care run as a volunteer operation. People don't come up with vaccines while working a full time job in construction, retail, or even as a history professor. Is it reasonable to devote your life to science without making a living? Can the both go hand in hand?

I don't see a problem with compensating people in the medical field. Putting wealth above somebody's well-being, as Omni-Science fears, seems to be protected against best by regulation.

I'm not saying those who work in health care shouldn't be paid, just who who pays them.
Government instead of Private business.

@Matt
Of course. I would like to live comfortably as an M.D :3
Hey, leeches have their uses in modern medicine (drastically reduced) but still viable.
But don't get me started on health woo woo.

"I'm not saying those who work in health care shouldn't be paid, just who who pays them.
Government instead of Private business."

I think a mix of both will ensure both fair medical care and innovation through competition.

"1. Well, seeing how the government's concern is the welfare of its people, I think it would make sense to put them in charge of health care."

That doesn't make sense. The government works for the people, not vice versa.

Perhaps I'm explaining it wrong. I'm running on 4 hours of sleep and a 30 minute catnap so I apologize.

By "them" I mean the 'government' not the 'people'