Skeptic Project

What makes you believe, well anybody? As religon will lead you to believe that we are born sinners, so repent and thou shalt be saved. Many psychologists believe we are born altruistic, and actually learn to be evil through the workings of our society. This is the approach that i believe. This approach also allows for hope for the future, while the latter dooms us from the start! How do you view yourself? As a good or bad person? Where do you stand in the economic classes? And WTF does this have to do with conspiracy dammit!

Well, to fit this site, as is said on Z movie "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick socitey", this is why i ask your economic class. For to thrive in this sick society, you must truly be sick yourself. So, as you debunkers seem to bash CTers, CTers have just as much right to bash you back. Why? Because the commonality between the two is that nobody who isnt somebody knows the answers to these questions. And we all on this site fit into the "nobody" category(no offense). We should all take pride in the fact that we are nobodys, because (with exceptions) the richest, most powerful people on this earth are the best adjusted to this society. If everybody lies, they have the most powerful lies. If everybody cheats, you might cheat on your math test while they cheat on global warming research which affects everyone on earth.

All conspiracy theories are based on the premise that the government does not work for you, rather against you. Throughout history, this is shown. (and i will stay away from Nazi Germany as this does not sit well with many on this site) I watched a documentary on History channel that portrayed a Japanese American soldier during World War II. As he fought for this country, his family was put into a concentration camp because they could be spies. Ridiculous? I think so. Fast forward to Guantanomo(spelling) Bay. And the beauty behind the Terrorist

"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) appears to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping."

(United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct. 19, volume 2; par. 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984])

So when WWII was going on, if you had slanted eyes you were locked up. There is no such distinction with a terrorist. And that broad definition leaves much room for wiggling you in there, if you do not fall in line.

I do not think of myself as CT. Nor am i a gullible clown. While there are extreme cases of CTers, you debunkers are the most serious case of debunkers (possibly the only ones) that i have found. So stop trying to make CTers feel ashamed for their thoughts, and lets try to move in one direction. Disorganization is why our society is the way it is.

A little of topic, but Wilhelm Reich writes:

"You have destroyed your freedom yourself, and go on destroying it, with an inexorable consistency. Before the first "World War", there were no passports in international travel; you could travel wherever you wished. The war for "Freedom and peace" brought the passport controls, and they stuck to you like lice. When you wanted to travel some 300 kilometers in Europe, youfirst had to ask for permission in the consulates of some 10 different nations. And so it still is, years after the termination of the second war to end all wars. And so it will remain after the third and nth war to end all wars. "Listen! He sullies my patriotism, the honor and the glory of the nation!" Oh be quiet little man. There are two kinds of tones: the howling of a storm about the mountain tops and--your fart! You are a fart, and believe to smell of violets."

from Listen Little Man, page 81.

So you debunkers need to smell your own farts and realize that we all stink.:)

no no no, you have me all wrong. There are extremes either way, is what i am saying. Look hard enough and you can find a crazy person to fit any social class, race, religon, etc. So just because there are crazy CTers, and people love a juicy story, does not change the fact that the Govt, to me at least, has not proven itself competent (as user Matt seems to so strongly believe). I am sure, secretly, he despises the same things i despise in life, because life is unfair, and set up to be that way. Although i am not offering up solutions for our next civilization, i can tell you that being divided will never create anything but a stickier morass.

"What makes you believe, well anybody?"

The word "belief" implies an idea that cannot be changed. I'm really not sure that debunkers are the ones who suffer from this problem.

If someone proposes a theory or an idea that rationally disagrees with an opinion I have, I tend to change my opinion. What's so hard to understand about that?

"Well, to fit this site, as is said on Z movie "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick socitey", this is why i ask your economic class. For to thrive in this sick society, you must truly be sick yourself."

I don't think I live in a sick society. I think I live in a society full of people with vastly different points of view who somehow manage to disagree with each other without constant civil war.

I don't think we need to scrap society. I think we need to work on the problems.

Now, if anyone from the Zeitgeist Movement or the Venus Project could give me rational explanations as to why their ideas would work, I might just change my opinion.

That has not happened.

"All conspiracy theories are based on the premise that the government does not work for you, rather against you."

Some conspiracy theories are based on the premise that certain ethnic groups are working against you.

""You have destroyed your freedom yourself, and go on destroying it, with an inexorable consistency. Before the first "World War", there were no passports in international travel; you could travel wherever you wished. The war for "Freedom and peace" brought the passport controls, and they stuck to you like lice. When you wanted to travel some 300 kilometers in Europe, youfirst had to ask for permission in the consulates of some 10 different nations. And so it still is, years after the termination of the second war to end all wars. And so it will remain after the third and nth war to end all wars. "Listen! He sullies my patriotism, the honor and the glory of the nation!" Oh be quiet little man. There are two kinds of tones: the howling of a storm about the mountain tops and--your fart! You are a fart, and believe to smell of violets.""

Wilhelm Reich was a quack who was sent to prison for selling phoney medical devices because he thought he was an enlightened visionary who was really just using his equipment wrong.

Kinda fitting, huh?

True, Edward, but we do live in America, and are a "Christian Nation" correct me if i am wrong

>"So just because there are crazy CTers, and people love a juicy story, does not change the fact that the Govt, to me at least, has not proven itself competent."<

So whats your point. Most of what Zeitgeist and Alex Jones say is inaccurate, distorted, or wrong, and I think that is the point of this site. But since life isn't always fair, that means it's bad to say someone is wrong? I think you just want a reason to be against everyone here. If you have evidence that something people here say is wrong, you can point it out, but otherwise I don't get what your problem is.

SKY>"So whats your point. Most of what Zeitgeist and Alex Jones say is inaccurate, distorted, or wrong, and I think that is the point of this site. But since life isn't always fair, that means it's bad to say someone is wrong? I think you just want a reason to be against everyone here. If you have evidence that something people here say is wrong, you can point it out, but otherwise I don't get what your problem is.<"

I see your point about Z movie, but i was not backing the movie, more the quote, and it was not Alex Jones' quote. Honestly, i give a rats ass about Z movie. I did watch it, and liked it, but knew there was another side. SO i came here to read it. Now, the only way you or me should say this content is true or not, would be to cite a different source than the one already cited, and the person researching must personally trust the source. I do not like to be against everyone on this site, just like displaying my views. If youdid not get the point, re read the post, bit this time, clear your head of any preconceived notions...

ADvanced>"What "sick society"? The happiness surveys show that people in many countries live generally satisfying lives, as I pointed out in the thread about the Venus Project. We certainly have room for improvements, and a lot of the world's cesspools like Haiti have a long way to go; but we've done better than what you'd gather from the Shite-geist movement's contrived grievances.<"

Would these surveys come from America, where most of these people are on some type of mood altering medication? How happy is a person if they are on an anti-d????????? hahahahaha pretty happy once your high, though! Or did they come from China? Was a gun to their head? ahahahaha survey schmurvey. You may think you are happy, because we only know what happinesses that we are afforeded. If you were born into a different situation, say, to one of those Hatians in the "cesspool". Then you hear that America boasted a bumper crop of soy and corn and they are pissed because the market declined!!!(in todays wall st journal, money and investing 1st page) So you can be happy living in a country affords you the right to work very hard for very little, while those born with certain last names work very little for the best life has to offer. But i guess thats just life now isnt it.

Why do you keep using the word "trust" ?

The world is not black and white.

Just because you see value in a system of government does not mean you unquestionably worship it. Instead of wasting your time reading conspiracy sites why not go read how the branches of the US government actually work? Its actually pretty interesting.

@Wilbur,

"We truly do not need a government, if EVERYONE would realize their worth to this existence."

You could always move to Somalia. They have been operating without a central government for awhile now.

Granted, you will probably get worms or shot. But hey, freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom!

"If every person in America of working age decided tomorrow to stop being lazy and get a job, or if welfare was cut overnight and they were forced to, there would not be enough jobs to fill this need."

Where do the disabled fit into this little America of yours? What about people born into poverty or unfortunate situations who have little literacy and no job skills? Where do they fit in?

Wilbur, you are wrong. But the debate whether this is a Christian nation or not is indeed as old as the nation itself.