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Sil the ShillPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 03:44
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10577055.stm</p>

Sorry young earth creationists, you still lose.

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sorryPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 08:42
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Don't the creationists say that time in the Bible is up to interpretation?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 09:47
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>> Don't the creationists say that time in the Bible is up to interpretation?

Everything is literal except things that they have to answer for. For example, seemingly anti-Homosexual verse are 100% literal word of god, but verses in the same book about proper a Kosher diet are up to interpretation.

If we follow creationist logic, however, since we were wrong about the exact age and had to make a correction, therefore all science is wrong and cannot be trusted.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 11:01
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"Everything is literal except things that they have to answer for. For example, seemingly anti-Homosexual verse are 100% literal word of god, but verses in the same book about proper a Kosher diet are up to interpretation."

Just to be fair, the contradiction here is not a matter of interpetation but rather a misunderstanding of the foundation for Christian faith. In relation to sections in Leviticus pertaining to a Kosher diet, Matthew states:

"not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man, but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." (Matthew 15:11)

This verse emerges directly from a very fundamental shift that occured at the foundation of Christianity. In his Letter to the Galatians, Paul writes:

"Yet we know that a person is justified not by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by doing the works of the law, because no one will be justified by the works of the law." (2:16)

Thus, it is not a matter of interpretation of the text, but a fundamental change in the covenant with God. The reason Christians don't keep Kosher is because the arrival of Christ altered the covenant with God, did away with the necessity to follow the Hebraic laws, and placed salvation solely on Faith and faith alone. Martin Luther would famously defend this argument in "On Christian Liberty."

This of course means that the laws of Leviticus- ALL of them- are no longer applicable to Christianity, include those against Homosexuality. Christians should follow the New Testament in determining their conduct, and use the Old Testament as an account of God's interaction with humanity. Christian relationships with the Old Testament are of course difficult, but no Christian is to take the Old Testament in a literal manner. Afterall, they are not beholden to its laws.

That also means that Christians who support their homophobia through Leviticus are hypocrites.

Anyway, there are my two cents.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 11:04
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My bad, Deuteronomy 14:7,8 is where the Kosher laws are listed- not Leviticus. But the point stands.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 12:29
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>> Thus, it is not a matter of interpretation of the text, but a fundamental change in the covenant with God.

I know that part.

>> This of course means that the laws of Leviticus- ALL of them- are no longer applicable to Christianity, include those against Homosexuality.

That was my point really, that there's a sort of doublespeak and doublethink going on.

>> That also means that Christians who support their homophobia through Leviticus are hypocrites.

Exactly.

>> My bad, Deuteronomy 14:7,8 is where the Kosher laws are listed- not Leviticus. But the point stands.

Leviticus 11:3 - 8

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 13:17
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Oh I know, I just wanted to point out that nothing in Leviticus or Deuteronomy should even be interpreted at all. This whole hypocricy comes from a fundamental disregard for the foundation of Christianity as a whole. I really think Christians should be encouraged to take some basic theology classes before they start spouting out nonsense. It was a minor point I was making, but I think an interesting one. Especially when we think about what the loons over at Westboro do every damn day.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 15:00
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"Don't the creationists say that time in the Bible is up to interpretation? "

I believe some say that the 'days' mentioned in Genesis can be years, decades, eons, etc. But I was just referring to those who believe in the literal 7 days.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 15:10
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If days are years, then I should be able to take an entire year off from work every 6 years.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 15:13
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Nerdfight!

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jul 12, 2010 - 15:42
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"http://www.answersincreation.org/The%20Hebrew%20Word%20Yom%20Used%20with%20a%20Number%20in%20Genesis%201%20-%20distribution.pdf"

Take this for what its worth, but I'm a huge supporter of the Herderian theory of biblical translation. The modification of the word "Yom" in genesis is very important for understanding the very timeline involved in the bible's account of creation. Again, it seems modern Christians and evangelicals let their passions control their reason.

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