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babybackribs | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 13:38 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | One of the main topics talked about by CTers is the "globalization". Now, I understand they they are "worried" (understatement) about the methods that THEY are using to bring about Globalization. But some of them, including Jones and Icke and Rense and more talk about loss of "national sovereignty" being a top priority as well. However, what is so wrong with globalization or a currency used around the world for business transactions and payments on a GLOBAL scale that can also be used on a local scale as well. (Say if you're from the US and you're visiting Germany, not only would a euro be accept but say this currency would be accepted too, but not dollars) or vice versa. Or even worse! *dum dum DUUUUUMMMMM!* What's so wrong with a politically united world where the UN is actually RESPECTED by all countries and used for purposes outside of giving aid and saying "please don't attack them". Perhaps I'm being a bit vague and if so, just let me know. Hopefully you're understanding my question. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 13:59 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | I've spent years asking these very same questions. About 20 years ago, before conspiracy theories were so mainstream, it was primarily Evangelicals claiming that world government and world currency are bad. I always asked "specifically why are they bad?" I was either accused of liking them or simply told "because they just are." Fear of world government mostly originates within the US, from the whole "American exceptionalism" attitude, where as America's perfect and the constitution, style of government, founding fathers are completely infallible, and anything remotely different that isn't those, is an attack on the concept of liberty itself. It's basically a mindset where America is Liberty, Liberty is America. If it were a situation where the US were even more hegemonous than they are now and were expanding territory like in the late 19th and early 20th century especially, it'd be a different story. It'd be OK for the US and her ideals to conquer earth, but anyone else is anti-liberty, and in fact since they're anti-liberty, they're worse than Hitler and Stalin combined -- they're given imaginary powers no human could posses. Alex Jones has discussed globalization before, he said it was fine so long as the bankers and such weren't behind it. He ran off some line of bullshit about some over idealized libertarian paradise where the US is 110% isolationist, yet still manages to benefit from the low prices of overseas slave labor, my words of course, not his. Until recently, you'd be hard-pressed to find any non-US individual worrying about the evils of globalization or world government, in the strictest of terms anyway. Globalization as far as capitalism goes is a whole different issue that we see protested every G5, G8, G11 or whatever they want to call themselves. Thanks to movies like Zeitgeist and people like Alex Jones, you can find people in Russia, Finland, Indonesia, Singapore, Chile, probably even penguins in Antarctica worrying about the Federal Reserve system in America, worrying about "international banking cartels" which are almost all American corporations with extraregional offices, and so forth. The last time people really worried about 'international banking cartels' they were literally equated with 'international jewish conspiracies'. It's a no-no to point this fact out to those in the modern conspiracy movement, but it's true. Go back to any of those who vehemently opposed the Federal Reserve and you'll find the biggest anti-semites in American government at the time, and if you read what they had to say, they tell you point blank: central banking is an international conspiracy by the jews to enslave the world. I went off topic a bit there, but I hope you get the point that it doesn't really matter at all. Almost all modern conspiracy theories originate from three places: 1) Antisemitic conspiracy theories, even if they don't include jews anymore | |||||
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babybackribs | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 14:22 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | These points of yours I understand and mostly agree with. I understand every CTer would love to beat the shit out of me as I am a ex-american european who's not only for globalization and freemason but would even like to be able to pay for things and id myself with a chip in my phone (other than just my sim car) as my phone connects me to the world. (Thanks, Apple. You fascists, you! Anyways, one of the things I'm noticing though, is that the ones (countries) that do wish to promote globalism are usually third world countries that have everything to gain and nothing to loose from it. I despise ignorance. Sorry, I just can't think of anything else to add to this topic at the moment without going into a raging fit about the idiotic nature of humans beings and foaming out the mouth how I really wish a shadowy elite ruled... But I love kittens, don't get me wrong, I'm not evil. Just getting fed up. LOL... | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 14:28 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | I think you're right about America losing power over the coming years, especially if she choses to ignore globalization and become more isolationist, she will get left behind. Then I worry about some kind of "november criminals" mindset a la 1920s Germany, where it will become hostile towards the outside world due to a belief power was not lost because of their own decisions, but because of some kind of cabal conspiring. Perhaps this is why so many people take comfort in conspiracies, it pushes blame for the country's problems onto others, rather than the people who elect politicians in the first place. | |||||
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babybackribs | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 14:47 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | I'll admit that America doesn't have to be loosing it's power. But what the country will have to understand, as Obama has shown with his willingness to become great "economical friends" with China, that other countries are uniting and pushing for Globalization. The EU was a bit "shocked" at how Obama was more friendly with China rather than with the EU, however the problem with the EU is that each individual country tends to have a view that they have a "special" relationship with the US so even if the EU was to start having trouble, this country is okay. The EU countries need to be willing to unify more if they really wish to be big players in the future. Personally, I tend to blame the puritans of the 1940's and 50's for most of the crap as well. However, I'm into theology and quite enjoy learning about different beliefs. Especially "hidden" ones. Back on topic, another issue I can see that the ignorant person would become upset by globalization is the less-complex method of allowing foreign workers to work in your country. Quick example, I've stated in my bio that I'm in a "transition period" with my career. 4 years ago, if I needed quick work for awhile, I would walk into a place looking for people to work in factories when they need them, and I would offer myself and drill holes in aluminum for a week or two while still looking for different work. However, since the introduction of certain eastern european countries into the EU has happened, the people of these place may work here legally as our country pays more than their own, and they won't argue about higher wages for a long time. Now, because of so many people being able to fill these jobs for cheaper than me (because I might have a higher education and am a citizen of the country, I can ask for more money doing the job) they are given the job instead of me. Now, do I blame them? Absolutely not! I would do the same thing in their situation! However, there are far more ignorant people that would blame them. And this is another problem I can see occurring and people having a problem with. So how to solve this, is quite a question. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 15:42 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | Globalization assumes the easy mobility that cheap oil gave us for the past 100 years. If we've already passed Peak Oil (something we can empirically observe, and therefore not a woo belief or a conspiracy theory), then the world's economies and societies will have to relocalize, power down and simplify to a level consistent with the available resources. | |||||
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babybackribs | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 15:45 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | Okay...... And your point? | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 15:49 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | I just pointed to a condition where "globalization" would have to fail, and civilization takes a drunkard's walk away from it. No metaphorical "acorn" exists in our civilization with DNA saying that our species has to globalize. The flying cars futurists like Jacque Fresco and Ray Kurzweil make that mistake all the time. | |||||
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babybackribs | Posted: Feb 06, 2010 - 15:51 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | I'm not saying we HAVE to globalize, but it sure as hell isn't a bad idea. | |||||
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Brenton | Posted: Feb 07, 2010 - 01:36 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Has anyone ever noticed that any threats to national sovereignty are almost always financially related? I'm saying we have to globalize because it's the only way to have a full systems approach. | |||||
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