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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:25
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Jews did 911 to distract people from Holocaust lies.

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Richard GazzoPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:33
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There are no real CT about Aum Shinrikyo , it's pretty much history now.
Like all powerfull religious sects, it had many deep connections in the economic & political world, but no body really care anymore.

What's funny about Japan is that you can have a 2hr special TV Show on National Channels about 911 inside job theories or Rockfeller conspiracies and it's completely ok, nobody complain. Somehow, people realize that TV shows are just entertainement, and they don't take it too seriously, or/and they really don't see how it's related to them.(Even if it is sometimes: After US pressure, Japan had to bend its own constitution to send troops in Afganistan)
But every country have their own taboo and favorite CTs. Here it's the imperial family.

Personnaly, i don't put TVP and Conspiracy theories in the same basket, but i realized that many TZM & TVP followers are CTs like minded.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:34
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"Personnaly, i don't put TVP and Conspiracy theories in the same basket"

Why?

TVP *is* a conspiracy theory. It claims that the evil elite engineer scarcity.

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Richard GazzoPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:38
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It doesn't have to go that low to be easily proven flowed.

Also, I feel that using this argument won't help TVP followers to realize what's wrong within its concept, just put them in a defensive position.

>>update: "elite enginering scarcity" yes, you're right in that

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:39
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But I don't care what TVP followers think. I am not here to save them from handing their cash over to Fresco and Merola. Unless they're going to give their cash to me instead, then I might care about them. A little. For a few minutes at least.

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Richard GazzoPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:48
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I hear you :)
I personnaly find it more constructive to have arguments that can help some wondering TZM members or regular folks, but that's just my opinion.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 11:56
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I don't see the point.

There is such a huge turnover with TZM that it really doesn't matter. People will figure out that nothing is ever going to happen and quietly fade away or else they will become True Believers and stick with it no matter what.

I doubt I will have much influence in either case.

Any factual errors concerning TZM/TVP have been listed on the site already by Edward. If people still want to believe in TZM after reading all of that, I highly doubt a forum post from me is going to matter much.

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oreolvrsPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 15:38
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Exactly Matt TZM will end up dying the same way it was born with nothing but CT'rs and those ignorant or deluded into believing Fresco.TZM/TVP could have had it all:the glitz the glory,the girls unfortunately for them by not reconosing that admitting there limits and letting their egos get the way JF,RM & PM have removed any chance of going down in history as those that changed the world.I can at least credit them with getting people who had been thinking along the same lines together to try and get this done.Right Nanos?

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NanosPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 16:21
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Dunno if it was their ego's getting in the way, my money is more on their lack of intelligence, but whatever the reason, their approach doesn't look very promising.

As before TZM appeared on the scene, TVP forums was a good meeting place for like minded folk to bump into each other, and TZM achieved something similar, so it was at least good to make new friends.

Though it was more like making friends on the battlefield than friends at the cafe..

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AltonPosted: Jul 06, 2010 - 18:06
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@Nanos....I would say it is a combination of both. TVP being the best and only solution is their ego, and their lack of intelligence stems from conspiracy theories, blank slate theory, and not understanding fundamental things like economics, physics, and thermodynamics.

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