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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 09:26 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lctl-specialedition</p> The fun begins at 30:00. This ain't pretty. But it sure is funny. "You know exactly how fucked up these people are." ROFL! | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 10:34 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Listening now. Talk about Neil starts around minute 34. Gets good at minute 39. | |||||
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anticultist | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 11:11 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | HAHA yes ! VTV you are not even supported by your own group you turd bag. Maybe these guys made those posts ? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 11:14 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Yeah, they roasted VTV pretty good. I don't see this ending well for him. Methinks another bridge is about to be burned. | |||||
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anticultist | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 11:37 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | He posts on here according to that radio show: http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/?s=neil+kiernan+stephenson | |||||
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The Burger King | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 11:52 |
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me? Level: 5 CS Original | They mention he does nothing but sit on his ass all day as well. I remember he came to CS and hid behind his kids as an excuse as to why he doesn't work to support his family | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 12:48 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I still don't understand why VTV would introduce TVP philosophy to a bunch of libertardians. Why them? They are ideologically opposed to TVP. I don't understand this strategy at all. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 12:50 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Maybe because he knows democrats and republicans won't listen to him. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 12:51 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | But there's actually a pretty damn good chance members of the Green Party would. Which, of course, is why I no longer donate to them. But that's neither here nor there. The point is: it would have been much more appropriate. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 12:53 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | At the moment, I think Ron Paul's libertarianism has greater support than the Green Party. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 12:56 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | That's probably true, but what good is that when TVP is a complete anathema to libertardianism? | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:03 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | They have hate for government in common, so it theoretically helps VTV gain supporters who are already dumb. There are also a lot of libertarians who could be considered anarchists. These people would readily support TVP. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:07 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I'm not sure they would Aaron. Too many Luddites amongst anarchists for them to buy into this technological future society. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:09 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | I think a majority of the TVP supporters are anarchist. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:12 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I don't think they consider themselves anarchists. Most of the people I've known who consider themselves anarchists would eat these kids for lunch. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:14 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | The reason I say that is because they are against government, private property, and capitalism. By definition, I think TVP is an anarchist concept. Maybe it's more anarcho-socialist than pure anarchy. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:31 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Here we get back to the problem of RBE not being a coherent ideology. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:32 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | I don't get the impression that most Zeitgeisters have any strong political beliefs. A Zeitgeister wouldn't recognize an anarchist if Leon Czolgosz was pissing on his shoes. They're in love with the idea of a computer-ruled utopia where government is unnecessary. To the extent Zeitgeisters are anti-government, it's because government is incompatible with the notion of their computer-controlled world, not because they hate government for any organic reason. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:33 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "They're in love with the idea of a computer-ruled utopia where government is unnecessary. To the extent Zeitgeisters are anti-government, it's because government is incompatible with the notion of their computer-controlled world, not because they hate government for any organic reason." Brilliant analysis, and I agree. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:40 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | True, but does their vision of the world not represent an anarcho-socio civilization? | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:40 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | But with robots? | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:41 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | No. Their vision of the world is not coherent enough to fit in any ideological category, in my opinion. Ideological utopias have some sort of internal consistency. The Venus Project isn't even close to that. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:50 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | That's fine. Matt originally asked why they would appease to the libertarian crowd. Is there any better crowd to peddle their ideas? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 13:58 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Greens, Socialist Party, etc. It isn't like the only three choices for political parties are Repub, Dem and Libertardian. There are lots more. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 14:05 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Yes, but which 3rd party has the most supporters and best chance of having an impact? That's the one's coat tails I'd grab onto if I was VTV. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 14:11 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Again, we go back to the question of what's the point if the ideologies are completely at odds with each other? All you will do is seed conflict. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 14:13 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | I would ride the coat tails for as long as I can so that I can get enough supporters, gain popularity, and ditch the opposing doctrine. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 14:14 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | But this is a TEA PARTY. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 14:17 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I truly do not understand the logic behind trying to take over an organization that is ideologically opposed to the agenda you are trying to push. Am I just thinking too hard? | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Jun 30, 2010 - 14:18 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | Perhaps because it requires minimal effort for VTV. If it was a legit campaign, he may actually have to log hours of work. | |||||
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