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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 13:18 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I have only an amateur interest in Byzantine history and even I know that's a crock of shit. This dude is just totally making things up. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 13:20 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | You've dabbled in the field, Matt? What sorts of topics do you like? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 13:23 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Nothing much, I listened to a podcast series on Byzantine history and watched the John Romer documentaries. Interesting period of time, but I am by no means a scholar. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 13:29 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | Was it the "12 Byzantine Emperors" podcast? That ruled! I've actually talked to the guy who did that, Lars Brownworth. He's awesome. Very active on Twitter. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 13:31 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Yeah, that was it. Lars Brownworth. I really enjoyed that along with Mike Duncan's History of Rome podcast. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 13:39 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | "Problems of Marxism 1) Problematic conception of human interest (humans are productive creatures Could Kaiser or someone else elaborate on number 3 for me? | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 14:04 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | I bet I could beat Monstermind in a history exam. The only intensive history class I've taken (and still taking) is AP World History. | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 15:34 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | Sil, I'll elaborate that point when I get back from my run Monst3rmind, Everyone has summed it up pretty well. Your conception of history, especially the italian city states is pretty erroneous. Omni, Good thing you took AP world history. That class is worth mad college credit. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 15:40 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | Omni, Kaiser's right, AP World History is a terrific class. Take the test. You can test out of a core class that gives most college students a lot of trouble. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 15:48 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | Everyone says it's one of the more notorious tests in terms of difficulty. Is this claim valid? I'm going to take it anyway, I just want a better idea of what I'm getting into come May. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 15:56 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Omni: It was the hardest AP class that I took, but I only took English and History AP classes... I imagine that chem and physics and all that might be harder, but that might just be because I'm terrible at those. This one kid I knew didn't even attempt the essay part, he just drew a really detailed picture of a Spanish Conquistador holding a shrunken head with an Egyptian Pyramid in the background. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 16:00 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | LOL! I'll definitely attempt the Essays... my teacher trained us really well for DBQ's, CCOT's, and Comparative essays. As for the questions, well I actually READ the goddamn textbook (unlike maybe half of my class) so I think I can handle the multiple choice fairly well. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 16:12 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | You guys with your academic learnin' gettin' indoctrinated by the man. If you hadn't wasted your time being brainwashed you'd know that the United States was formed by multinational colonies! While you waste your lives in school I'm making mad scrilla at Corn Dog on a Stick. So fuck all y'all! | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 16:53 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | Ok, so, the last critique I was touching on is one that hits on Marx's over-materialization of history and objects. Essentially, Marx goes on at length accurately dissecting the different material values an object can hold. This is perhaps Marx's most profound contribution to the understanding of capitalism (though his 'solutions' are now notoriously problematic). But what I am suggesting is that Marx, rather wrongheadedly, divorces symbolic values from the production of goods in capitalism. If I am not mistaken, there are moments in Das Kapital when Marx suggests that capitalism has dehumanized our material world, and this is a function of his perception of what makes a human, well, human. But what Marx doesn't get it at is how symbolism and sentimental value actually do persist through objects, though not in a characteristically religious, talismanic, or spiritualistic fashion. If we stop to think about common values in American society such as the value of "hard work" we all can have a perception of that value without all having the same exact definition. But, that value of "hard work" is materialized in the purchasing of some object. Its not actually just materialistic selfishness (though it absolutely can be) but rather an object that represents that value of hard work. Similarly, even objects which are purchased and gifted carry much more value than simply an exchange. Objects constantly possess simultaneous meanings and values beyond Marx's simple "alienation" and "fetishism." Indeed, anthropologists have studied how, even in industrial societies, our methods of exchange are saturated with complex systems of value and symbol. And so, where Marx makes that critique that capitalism is dehumanizing and alienating, it is absolutely clear that there is a much more complicated picture. I would argue that Marx critiqued a form of capitalism that was intertwined with a fairly incompatible socio-political structure, but we don't live in these perfect systems. Human society, culture, and common life tends to make things a little more complicated. Sorry for the long-winded post. Hope its clear. I swear I'm better spoken than my writing would have you believe. Also, Omni- The test isn't that bad. AP Chem and Physics were way worse. Funny story about AP history essay though. The prompt was to describe women's rights movements and the role of women before 1900. My friend, who would done none of that reading or material wrote: "According to my teacher, women didn't exist before 1919" | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 17:33 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Keynesian economics make talking about Marxism and capitalism obsolete? | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 17:38 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | Kind of, although one thing I've learned is that you're always going to reinvent the wheel, so you best know that it was invented before you and how it was done. There's always value to be found in old forms of thought and theory, even if its just to recognize old systems within our newer ones. Case in point- Conspiracy movements that utilize bits and pieces of Marxist theory without being anywhere near as articulate or coherent. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 17:40 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Are there any purely capitalist nations left? I'm talking straight laissez faire. | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 17:45 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | nope. There never really were. But that doesnt mean theories cant help us gain insight into the parts of a system which we do utilize. Its just means you have to be smart enough to know how to apply theory. | |||||
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The Real Roxette | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 19:51 |
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain. Level: 8 CS Original | "Are there any purely capitalist nations left? I'm talking straight laissez faire." Somalia was listed as a shining example by the von Mises Institute. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 20:26 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | Somalia is an example because there IS no government. | |||||
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