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lol Ben.

Edward's biggest fan is still alive and kicking. I hope no one decides to browse around OJ and find all the Jew and gay hate.

I'm somewhat disappointed in him. I honestly thought maybe he would snap out of all this CT stuff eventually.

Wow. Ben quoted me. I feel so special.

I like this gem:

"Pseudoskeptics are mentally ill. They really are like children. All we can do is wish them the best."

Sounds like Peter Merola talking.

And to think it all started with a creative writing piece about how he wasn't going to take his medication any more.

He really views Edward as some sort of comic book arch nemesis that he must defeat. Its pretty bad, but kinda funny since it isn't me.

I briefly scrolled through his "debunking." It was the same weird lists of conspiracy videos he always posts. I still don't believe he has really watched all that shit himself and judges based on the YouTube comments. He always judged the value of books by the comments on Amazon, the barrage of videos is probably no different.

He really is messed up, but he doesn't want any help for it. Back when he actually interacted with people on the Facebook group every now and then there was a little glimmer of hope that he was going to snap out of this weird shit. He would admit that he was wrong about pretty much everything, vanish for a few days and then be back with a vengeance. It seems he's just kind of on a downward spiral of weird behavior and paranoia ever since isolating himself amongst True Believers.

Repost in the correct thread:

Oh, and look at this little gem.

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-myths-on-conspiracy-theorie/</p>

Tearing these little snippets apart might make another good blog post akin to the 'canned responses' one.

Also, what's the dealio with the George Washington letters? They look legit (from the Library of Congress), but were Freemasons in America concerned with Illuminati influence (not in the OMG TAKEOVER) sense) or is there some other context that I'm not getting here.

Dees Art, that's all I needed to see.

Gatecreepers debunked maddox!

Edit: Did anyone else take a look at their sources for 'debunking' the debunkers? 911research and wtc7.com, quite entertaining.

It's basically every conspiracy theory, except ones related to aliens and inter-dimensional beings, though he may have mentioned it and I missed it. I'm not sure how this debunks my site, so much as really just a long, incoherent rant. Conspiracy works that source other conspiracy works?

[ In his 6 page topic, he promotes conspiracy theories involving: ]
+ Mass depopulation
+ Federal Reserve
+ Vast corruption in education to dumb people down and spread misinformation
+ United Nations
+ Basically all transnational co-operatives and boards
+ Vaccines are a tool for eugenics
+ "Big Pharma"
+ Charles Darwin
+ Rockefellers
+ Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky are big shills
+ A vast conspiracy to create an imaginary left-leaning media
+ Moloch is a Bull, not an Owl
+ Freemasons and other secret societies
+ America is a police state
+ "James Randi and Michael Shermer and other Pseudoskeptics are not real skeptics"
+ Acharya S garbage
+ 1984 is happening
+ Mind control
+ Fluoride
+ Autism is caused by vaccines
+ Genetically modified foods
+ Codex alimentarius
+ Cellphones cause brain cancer
+ Aspartame
+ High Fructose Corn Syrup
+ Depleted Uranium
+ Cancer cures exist, they're just hidden for profit
+ JFK was shot from the front
+ Oswald was a CIA agent
+ Martin Luther King, Jr
+ Waco
+ OKC Bombing
+ Alex Jones knows more than Popular Mechanics
+ Birther conspiracies may possibly be true
+ Obama-Care
+ Obama has a Nazi mentality
+ Global warming denial
+ Pseudo-environmentalists
+ Al Gore
+ Environmentalism is really a way to try to bring in Eugenics
+ Climategate
+ World Government
+ Cap and trade
+ Carbon tax
+ A holocaust is coming to America by masonic devil worshipers
+ Chemtrails
+ Viral genocide
+ Maybe HAARP, he hasn't looked into it yet, but it's not hard to guess what he'll say
+ Hyperinflation (waiting since 1983 for that one)
+ Martial Law is coming
+ Planned Parenthood
+ Population control, related to the depopulation stuff
+ Eugenics and environmentalism are connected, one begets the other
+ Afghanistan was invaded for opoum
+ World Bank
+ Al Qaeda doesn't exist, in fact he claims it means "to sit" in Arabic, which is absolutely not true. It means "Base." He claims as such because apparently Al Qaeda, meaning "sit" also refers to a toilet, and no real terrorist group would call itself the toilet.
+ Terrorism doesn't exist except for what's created by the NWO, i.e. they're ALL false flags.
+ The Venus Project and TZM is a NWO plot
+ The NIST report is bullshit
+ WTC 7 collapsed at free fall speed
+ NIST won't debate any leading scientist in the Truth movement, so therefore NIST is wrong
+ Tons of other 9/11 things about NORAD and so forth
+ 9/11 Commission Members doubt official story
+ 9/11 Commission Member quote mining, something that was even debunked on this site already. In fact it's a copy/paste from where I got it.
+ Nano-thermite
+ Terrorist videos are faked
+ Terrorist videos where they execute people are faked
+ Al Zarqawi is probably computer generated
+ Video games like System Shock 2, BioShock 1 and 2, and Terminator Future Shock are just ways to get people ready.
+ The movie The Minority Report is based on coming reality
+ Massive conspiracy to control the Internet in the US
+ Quote mining the Grand Chessboard
+ Zionist Anglo-American Empire
+ A Zionist agenda to create a mindless war machine
+ 7/7 was an inside job
+ Flight 93 had to be remotely controlled, because it's nonsense to think hijackers would have done it.
+ Lone Gunmen episode with the Twin Towers was predictive programming
+ Hani Hanjour stuff
+ Hijackers found alive
+ No links to bin Laden
+ DNA recovered was faked
+ WTC 1/2 was demolished
+ I'm going to save myself some time, and basically say every single 9/11 related conspiracy we debunk here, except for space beams, he claims are true -- some times by showing the same source that inspired the debunking. He shows Loose Change, David Ray Griffin, and Steven Jones as primary sources for the most part. This stuff goes on for about two pages.
+ American Revolution
+ He copy/pastes Peter Joseph said about my "bonds" argument in Zeitgeist: Addendum, of course not including the fact that I corrected that error.
+ Banking panics during the free banking era were actually engineered as revenge for a lack of free banking, ironically, of course, panics during the central banking era are also engineered.
+ Apparently even fake quotes attributed to Jefferson in Zeitgeist are irrelevant, because he actually felt that way.
+ The movie Network is something more than just a shitty movie
+ My pointing out the President Wilson quotes being taken out of context are irrelevant, because he was talking about how we're in an oligarchical system.
+ Carroll Quigley stuff
+ Stock market crash of 1929 was caused on purpose
+ Gold standard stuff
+ Federal Reserve stuff, again
+ Income Tax
+ Vietnam was a vast conspiracy
+ World War I was a vast conspiracy
+ World War II was a vast conspiracy
+ FEMA IS COMING FOR YOU!

( Proof the police state is coming, there are links for these on page 5 )
+ Summary executions are coming
+ Biometric identification is going to be required for all American workers
+ A database of all arrested individuals DNA is coming, even those not convicted of a crime
+ Full body scanners
+ The FDA has been conducting military-style raids on Amish farmers to stop organic milk production, because it's a threat.
+ NYPD has quotas
+ Mobile camera systems to fight motor vehicle theft and identify unregistered cars
+ Judges and police have used "secret codes" on tickets in Florida
+ A 6 year old as handcuffed and sent to a mental facility
+ Students have been arrested for things like bringing plastic knives to school, drawing pictures of guns
+ Spanking leads to being charged as a terrorist
+ a 12 year old girl who drooled on her desk was arrested
+ A global treaty will force your ISP to spy on you
+ The Federal Government is going to seize 10 million acres from Montana to New Mexico
+ 56% of Americans think the government is so large it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens
+ 51% percent of Americans agree with this statement: "It is necessary to give up some civil liberties in order to make the country safe from terrorism."

(Back on track again)
+ The military is targeting tea party protesters
+ Britain is a police state because of the cameras
+ Iraq war is about oil
+ The media is indoctrinating us for military take over, to dumb us down, and to buy
+ Fake reporting during the Gulf War (anyone remember Wag the Dog?)
+ Operation Mockingbird
+ Video games are for mind control
+ Public Education is to stupefy and also create a civil religion
+ Tons of stuff about illegal immigration being a part of some conspiracy because Mexico has different laws regarding it
+ North American Union
+ World constitution!
+ Obama said the words "New International Order"
+ League of Nations
+ The UN, again
+ Cold War was fake!
+ The environmental movement is for global government
+ Microchips
+ Large control grid coming
+ New Age is a part of globalism

How many of these were from primary sources? Almost none at all, there were plenty of links to conspiracy sites and youtube videos. I don't talk about the majority of this stuff on my site at all, so I'm not even sure he's talking about me anymore. I don't think anyone is going to read this, not even people on that site.

It's his most epic copy/paste yet. Something we always requested him to do was to give his opinion, yet he still just copy and pastes everyone else's.

If actually organized, it could serve as a great source of things to debunk or confirm. It would take months to check everything he copy and pasted, so it might be easier to just cover the topics in general one at a time.

My question is, how many hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people would have to be involved for this to even remotely be true?

Skipping all the way to the end, I noticed he's stepping into the "Zionist occupied government" world now. I'm wondering if he's becoming a Rense follower.

These stood out to me:

>> Modern conservatism and "anti Semitism" was a reaction. But the Nazis, by their barbarism, actually played into the elite Jews' agenda. They discredited nationalism and "anti Semitism," devastated Europe, and helped Zionists gain greater control of Jews

Well, lucky for them the holocaust worked out with co-operation from tens of thousands of people who viewed it as a part of their ideology and command and control structure. I mean, what if they didn't get what they want?

>> But your theory becomes idiotic when one realize that the Nazis did not mention the non-Jewish feudal lords of finance (J.P. Morgan, etc.), the Nazis did not go after the pinnacle of the “Jewish” bankers (the House of Rothschild), and the Nazis were themselves puppets of Wall St. and the City of London (see “Wall St. and the Rise of Hitler” and “Conjuring Hitler”).

Yes, the Nazis left alone all those rich jews, it was only regular jews in concentration camps. Most Jews with money did flee the country prior to the beginning of the holocaust, but that doesn't mean they didn't have to surrender their belongings, property, etc. Even Louis Nathaniel de Rothschild had to surrender his bank and property to the Nazis after their take over of Austria.

But I guess that was just a ruse for the grand conspiracy.

>> And, although I have not looked into it, I have seen references to respectable sources suggesting that there was indeed Zionist-Nazi collaboration.

There were Zionists who thought Nazi anti-Semitism would push more Jews into the holy land, and there were even some Nazis who thought it'd be a good idea to send them there, but that didn't work out, did it? I guess that means the Zionists who thought the situation would work in their benefit were really responsible for the holocaust? I mean, that's the same kind of leap made below.

>> To all who equate anti-Zionism to anti-Semitism, I guess you love to see the massacred bodies of the people of Gaza

Jumping from being against the foreign policy of the State of Israel to believing in a vast Zionist conspiracy, yeah that makes sense.

There are legitimate anti-Zionists, but once you start talking about Zionists being involved in vast conspiracies, promoting the Protocols as real, accusing jews and others you don't like of being Zionists, and also accusing people you don't like who aren't Jews of being secret Jews (as the Rensers do to Alex Jones), then you're an anti-Semite and you're not fooling anyone but yourself.

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Then again, if he's pulled into believing all of the stuff above, he'd likely believe it if someone told him the vast Zionist conspiracy has nothing to do with anti-Semitism at all.

Well here it is June 9th 2010.

Last time I went a little too far - with some native Americans some which looked like protests in the wind. The $75K new black 4x4 deisel with thick blackened glass - clearly bullet proof pulled and parked with the engine running next to my house by the window so that they could see into my home, while I was having a discussion on the bulletin board with - clearly NSA employees. I got the message and backed down. This was around 6 months ago.

Well I have been blathering here and though who would listen to me... I have spoke of things which are not wanted to be spoke about...

Anyway 1/2 hour ago a door to door salesman came to my door - he looks the case of a typical door to door salesman.

I told him whatever he had to say was irrelevant - I was not interested. Well he says I understand and put his hand out - as a reflex - I shook his hand, we both had a firm grasp - he turned and walked away with his head down and slightly to the right - as ensuring I did not follow.

Well I have blathered my past illness - and blathered about things which could get me into hot water.

Well boys - my conspirator mind says I now have a toxin which causes a fast acting cancer..

Maybe 6 months or less I will be gone-

Since I have been posting here - I am documenting this here and now..

My name is Steve Sharp and I live in Austin Texas. My birth Name is James Gregory Pitts and I did a legal name change when I went into real estate sales in 2005/2006.

So anyway there is a small record here. We will see what happens....

you know the idea that one is on the way out so to speak was initial startling but as I finish this post it is becoming motivational.

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Ah, good ole Outlaw Journalism.

Matt, what is that from?

Ben's manifesto is absolutely jaw-dropping. This has got to be the most astonishing example I've ever seen of the paranoid depths to which CT's can sink. I feel sorry for this guy. The world he lives in has got to be a frightening place. For my own sake I'm glad it bears so little resemblance to the real world.

"Matt, what is that from?"

Just some random crazy person on OJ.

The most pathetic part about Ben is that he is pissing away opportunities that a lot of people never get. Not a care in the world and he spends all of his time among lunatics on Outlaw Journalism. I imagine he will end up in a psychiatric hospital long term or homeless.

I want to feel sorry for him, but I've tried that and he'll spit in your face for the effort. I just hope he doesn't hurt anyone else in his downward spiral. I don't think he's a "bad" person. But he is very sick.

Well, in Benworld its okay to source a CT YouTube video with an article on PrisonPlanet because PrisonPlanet has "the truth."

You can only link mainstream news articles when in defense of a CT article or if the CT article sources the mainstream article. But you can't link any other article found on the site, unless it too defends the CT article or is also sourced in a CT article.

These are the rules for living in Benworld because the rules maintain the narrative.

The deluge of crazy crashed my browser.

Fuckin' Ben.

When trying to prove FEMA camps, Ben links to this article here:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Heart_Mountain_FEMA.htm</p>

It references the unfortunate case of Japanese internment and poses the questions:

"Is it about to happen again? Does the U.S. government have plans to round up some other group of citizens and lock them into bitter internment "for the duration" of some future emergency?"

Frightening! What's even more frightening is how Ben failed to overlook the original publication year of that article. 1998!

If anything that's just more proof of how these conpiracies have always been just 'right around the corner' but have never came anywhere close to fruition.

I agree with Sil.

Actually the "wave of anger" had more to do with commerce than anything else. USW (Unrestricted Submarine Warfare) was the catalyst. The German High Command stopped it after the Lusitania incident, but restarted in February 1917 figuring that it didn't matter if the US declared war, they figured they could win on the Western Front before we could get a significant number of troops engaged. Yeah, bad call.

Technically we had combat troops engaged in July 1917, but they were only a token force. Large numbers of US troops did not actually see combat until the summer of 1918.

"Fixed you sexy beings of correction. Check it out and see if you approve.

I'm not sure why putting 3 years instead of 2 means that I'm completely wrong and the Lusitania was the main cause. "

Well, because... um... HERE WATCH THIS VIDEO