Skeptic Project

I'm not impressed either, but it is at least a start.

Its a bit of a classic catch 22, if they had more money, they could be more than just a message board, but to get more money, they really need more people..

At least they have a subscription charge (Volunteer subscription..) to cover their operating costs, more than TZM do!

On a scale of being impressed, TZM get a 2 (They at least manage to keep their website up, and Fresco does have his own home.) and EOS get a 3, Bob gets a 4, I grant myself a 1 as I only have a website and don't have my own home!

How about EOS isn't cult-like, don't ban people for disagreeing, not conspiracy theorists, is scientific, and is making progress on their plans?

> don't ban people for disagreeing

Thats not entirely true, they have banned someone before for that..

> not conspiracy theorists, is scientific,

But yes, they are better in not being conspiracy theorists and far more scientific.

> is making progress on their plans?

Well, I'm not so sure there, I reckon progress is far less than it could be, I rather see stalled plans myself, but they at least want to do something, even if they are not so capable to actually make it happen. (In part due to a lack of manpower, eg. they have some good plans, but no one to make them happen.)

They do show promise, if they did not, I would say so!

My interest is only in seeing organisations work to their best abilities and to listen to better suggestions and take them onboard. (Which many fail to do..)

"and is making progress on their plans?"

Oh okay, well I guess if you don't plan on ever making any progress you never need to go beyond posting musings on the Internet.

Neato.

Basically EOS is nothing more than a glorified blog.

> I don't have a personal emotional investment in EOS and am therefore unwilling to
> cut it any special slack.

I don't for example have any emotional investment in anything, so I never cut anyone any slack, not even myself!

> just as inept of an organization at achieving their end goals.

Less inept, but generally agreed inept. (I'm not sure what I can do to help them, they generally refuse to listen to my advice. (Or that from some other folk..))

I could name many other organisations with similar problems :-)

Its rather a human condition I reckon and hard to fix..

It interests me considerably how to fix these issues in an organisation, do you have any suggestions Matt ?

"and is making progress on their plans?"

Oh okay, well I guess if you don't plan on ever making any progress you never need to go beyond postings musings on the Internet.

Neato.

Like I said, they have started companies. Real companies that exist in the business world. They're getting somewhere. They also have to earn a living while they do this so it's not like they have a lot of free man-hours to work with.

"Sure, but I was talking about the differences between TZM and EOS."

That's like saying cat shit is better than dog shit.

You were the one that originally made the comparison, not me.

> it's not like they have a lot of free man-hours to work with.

Indeed.

Lack of man hours is indeed an issue for us all trying to fix the world.

> they have started companies. Real companies that exist in the business world.

I do admire them in doing so, that gets my full support.

Well, customers appear happy with the product!

http://www.amazon.com/FLOWBEE-Flowbee-Haircutting-System/product-reviews/B00020F9TK/ref=cm_cr_pr_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

Okay well when EOS remotely comes close to accomplishing what the makers of Flowbee have, we can talk.

"Matt, what's your point? Your first statement was that EOS was "a bunch of stupid woo". I'm just disagreeing with you and providing evidence as to why. Do you still think it's woo?"

I'm sorry you're butthurt. But I still think EOS is a bunch of crap.

Concede what? That EOS does not conform to the literal definition of woo that you linked?

Is that what you're harping about?

Yeah because circular cities have not been ridiculed by serious city planners or anything.

This is a philosophical group masking itself with science. Nothing more.

Yeah I guess if you want to dream about sci-fi futures 100 years down the road I'm obviously going to be bad at that.

> because circular cities have not been ridiculed by serious city planners or anything.

Have they ?

Anyone links to that ?

I've an interest in city planning and I would like to make sure any designs I come up with are the best I can do, so always keen to learn what the best solutions are to include, and the worst to avoid. (I've much experience with poor designs, so have some idea what not to include..)

Though, by construction and then careful study of a cities citizens, one would be more able to see which parts of the design are better than in another city.

Oh shit they do. That's weird. They never talk about it on the forums..