Skeptic Project

@advancedatheist,

I imagine you're right.

@Brenton,

If the Zeigeist Movement is concerned about the environment, why does it provide no solutions as to how to solve the problems? All it does is complain.

I've never seen any direct action from the Zeitgeist Movement. I have never seen any action at all aside from people daydreaming online.

@advancedatheist:

Those are some cool images. :D

They should totally make a video game out of this, I'd love to walk around those places lol

@atheist,

I married a Randroid once.

I will never do that again.

@atheist,

You just described my ex wife fairly well.

I have yet to meet one who faced any semblance of struggle, and they honestly believe the world works the way their fantasies tell them it does.

If they want something, they deserve it.

>> If the Zeigeist Movement is concerned about the environment, why does it provide no solutions as to how to solve the problems? All it does is complain.

I've never seen any direct action from the Zeitgeist Movement. I have never seen any action at all aside from people daydreaming online. <<

We do provide a solution. A systems-approach to society on all levels appropriate to sustaining our environment, standard of living, etc,.

You can't just make that sort of change happen overnight. It takes long and dedicated action, as highly respected people such as Jared Diamond have acknowledged (see his book: Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed).

@advancedatheist: As far as I understand Ayn Rand was a proponent of ultra-free market capitalism. No?

@ Brenton:

As far as I understand Ayn Rand was a proponent of ultra-free market capitalism. No?

Correct. But Rand, like Fresco, promoted a crank world view, in my judgment, because she predicted our destruction if we stay on our current course. We could only save ourselves by adopting her radical alternative, despite the fact that humans excel at muddling through.

Fresco just promotes a different version of the same sort of argument.

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=61406

An interesting read. Brenton will most likely disagree with pretty much everything.

Interesting that this thread is from 2008, and Brenton is still unable to answer the questions this thread raises.

Pretty failtastic, bro.

@Brenton,

Why bother? The same questions you can't answer here are asked there. The questions are just two years old.

@Brenton:

"Ed, because he's not focused on the technology aspect at this stage. "

He is ALWAYS talking about technology and if he can't associate himself with engineers, write papers, design anything that is actually built or create any working prototypes you'd think he'd at least design and use some renewable energy in his own damn land. He certainly has the space for it. Even if he didn't use his own design it would be good for his credibility, it seems REALLY lame considering and shows how much of a failure he's been for all these decades if he can't even do this much.

When will they actually start doing things you think? They want to build a "research city", right?

You think they will get to that point in the near future? They cant even scrape together enough to make that film and when it inevitably flops as hard as Loose Change: An American Coup what will they do? Just what ARE they hoping to accomplish with the film? Get funding for the research city? From where? From rich people that aren't concerned with science apparently. I'll tell you what will happen, they will forever be spreading the news. Forever. Fresco will die and Roxanne and Peter will carry on. Spreading the news. That is what the Zeitgeist Movement will be.

@Brenton,

Uh, no. I asked you repeatedly why assuming that an organization with zero internal structure will never make it to Realworldistan is an illogical assumption.

Still, I wait. I wait while you claim I have never asked any questions.

In fact, the title of this damn thread is a question you haven't answered.

This is the kind of shit that pisses me off. You know I have asked you questions in this thread so quit being a deliberately obtuse shithead. Is almost a requirement that you be as intellectually dishonest as your "sometimes leader but not really" Peter Joseph. Goddamn.

@Brenton,

It means your little movement only exists in a world where you don't have to wear pants to communicate with people and I want to know when it will move into a world where you do.

Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time.

You got it now?

@Brenton,

I don't believe you.

If you cannot explain your position without someone else talking for you, your position pretty much blows and you are in no position to change anything.

Oh and:

Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time. Also, I want a specific reason why assuming it will never move into that world is an illogical assumption. For the 20th damn time.

@Matt: I've answered that issue on Facebook. I'm not repeating it here. If I really must I'll quote myself from there.

@Ed: No. The point of that diatribe of his was to highlight the fact that building solar panels is pretty irrelevant at this point, regardless of what little 'goodness' it might demonstrate.

We are headed for a multi-angled environmental crisis and our economic system is unsustainable (neither of these contentions are unique to the ZM), and building solar panels will not even begin to fix that.

MUU-MUUS AND SITAR MUSIC!!!!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I should get a Nehru jacket. Or some makaha beads. What do you think, Brenton? I'm not sure what's chic in utopia cults these days, though I'm assuming it's retro, probably a lot of double-knit polyester. Crap, I'm allergic to most synthetic fabrics. Guess I'm not destined to save the world with the Zeitgeist movement unless you wear all organic fabrics.