Skeptic Project

Ed I pointed to topics on the blog not the blog overall, those topics are the ones.
Just read them, I am not re posting entire discussions, or rewriting them for this forum if they are already hosted elsewhere.

And we have already ascertained you have not been banned because you more than likely discuss subjects that are not off limits on the forum.

Re read this:
"ok you can and often do get banned by questioning the movement about certain SUBJECTS, at best it is ignored, shouted over or locked.

If you keep trying to get answers to these locked topics or ignored matters you are labelled a troll and perhaps banned.. the ones I have highlighted [links given already] are the subjects.

Therefore being banned by 'questioning the movement' is possibly subjective based and not in general."

There are numerous people who have been banned or had threads ignored locked or moved into miscellaneous who have discussed those topics i gave links to [read the forum yourself if you want evidence, I am not ploughing through it just for you], if you want to continue saying I am disproved if some people dont get banned then you have not read the quote I have reposted for you here correctly or the zeitgeist movement forum fully.

@ed If you dont even bother reading the links I gave you then there is no reason to continue this any further.

Because by doing this you are simply avoiding getting informed to the answers provided to your own questions.

@matt
To be honest this entire derailment of the topic is pretty ridiculous, things like this put me off actually coming to forums, because you get into pedantics and semantics with individuals who refuse to read what you provide them with.

@anticultist: you keep saying there's specific subjects that get you banned. Yes, I get that...

SO WHAT ARE THEY?

I said that if you don't answer and keep directing people to your blog, then you are saying that every subject discussed on your blog will get you banned if you talk about it on the forums.

Therefore anyone discussing ANY point there should get banned or warned. If this doesn't happen, this will then disprove your point.

So in order to be accurate you need to list some subjects that you believe will necessarily get you banned for talking about.

Heres an example:

+ Peter Joseph's real name.

We can see they don't like it in IRC and banned a couple of guys so I imagine its probably the case on the forums as well. You see its not that I don't read what you are writing, you still don't get my point.

And this isn't a "diversion" from the topic, I'm sure Brenton would be asking you for the same information. Pretty justifiably in my opinion too.

@Matt: anticultist specifically said "plenty of people" were banned for questioning the movement. If you're going to say something like that you should be able to back that up with something.

"In fact I am literally pulling out of this derailment because ed is seemingly trying to win some kind of semantic internet debate, where as I am just trying to not get into some garbage I win/you win discussion"

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Its not irrelevant semantics and the fact that you think it is shows how blind you are. I know what its like when you are looking are "both" sides and wondering who to trust, any hint of dishonesty or exaggeration will look bad and people will be far less likely to trust the information you are giving them. I tried explaining this before and you said you don't care. Bullshit. You obviously do care about all this since you spent such a lot of time infiltrating the forums with different names, reading up on Fresco, their accounts, and Peter. You made an entire blog dedicated to it and you found this forum and promoted your blog as the first thing you said. If you want people to find you credible then do yourself a favour and don't allow your credibility to be destroyed.

No, anticultist you have not given me examples of any specific subjects. Just provide a list of subjects, why is that so difficult?

@ed
I tell you what i will do this for you:

Financial transparency of the venus project and why they will not deal with it fully for their members, even after they have been asked numerous times with direct emails, and they have ignored the requests and subject.[email evidence is supplied on the blog]

why the venus project is a profit company and will not publish this on their website.[business evidence and links is supplied on the blog]

why the profit part of the company and the non profit charity section are both ambiguously placed together in their donate/store page. [see their webpage]

peter josephs real name [evidence here on this forum and on the blog]

eric his brothers involvment [evidence here and on the blog]

why the venus project is trying to own RBE and preventing any cooperation with RBEF and other groups, when its proven they have no trademark to own RBE. [evidenc on the blog on their forum and on RBEF forum with emails]

Why the zeitgeist movement is simply an advertising campaign for the venus project only, and is not doing any scientific work whatsoever other than a recruitment campaign for more members. [self evident in their objectives on the venus project website and the objectives of the zeitgeist movements members and peter josephs statements]

thats a start right ?

try addressing those on the forum see if you get any full complete answers, you may not get banned, but chances are you will be ignored told something thats not a direct answer or have the topic moved into miscellaneous or even locked.

And yes I did reword it for you, but you appear to have missed it and continued to bother me.

And I am not debating the matters I presented to you above ed, those are for you to test out on their forum [if you have the time] and see what happens to you, after you have researched them.

I reworded it so thats not an issue any longer.

So if you want to test any of the subjects on their forum yourself feel free, maybe you will have more success than people who have gone before you.

If you want evidence of previous locks, bans go ahead and look in their forum.

Also you wont see any of the deleted threads, but they have occurred.

Thats all you are getting from me.

You both suck balls!

So can we agree that its possible to get banned for questioning the movement?

@Ed,

No, I don't. Not in this case. I think in this case you've being overly pedantic.

@matt:

But Matt I have "questioned the movement" many times, severely, in many different ways. Why cant you see that if you say that people are banned for "questioning the movement" and someone sees you say that, they will think you are either lying or exaggerating??

Something potentially correct might be: If you question their finances, you will be banned. or... if you reveal Peter Josephs' real name you will be banned.

But to say you are banned for questioning the movement? That is just WRONG.

VTV is not the only douchebag, there is thunder, tanktop, peter & apollo, all of which meddle with people and their posts on some level regularly.

When Jacque kicks the bucket, Roxanne should have a nice retirment fund.

@Ed,

If there is one thing Brenton has taught me, ZM members will think whatever they want regardless of anything I post. Brenton probably is a good moderator, and I never claimed otherwise. My personal experiences debating with him and his evasive, infuriating style kinda makes me think that getting banned on those forums isn't very hard. He eventually resorts to the "fuck yous" when cornered just like all the people he cries about.

"VTV is not a good moderator but Thunder isn't either and apparently he has even been reinstated, but I'm not judging the entire moderation team based on those people that suck. Brenton isn't like that and my friend psychspy before he left wasn't like that for example."

When you have mods like that, it guarantees problems. I am quite sure that in some peoples' eyes they were doing nothing more than questioning the movement. But then when you have someone like VTV with a little bit of imaginary power on a message board, it just sets the atmosphere for the problems I think occur, especially with the age group involved. And don't tell me he doesn't represent the moderation team, because his title and his avatar kinda give a different impression.

"You have to be very clear."

Why? Even when you're clear they just rationalize every point you make anyways. I'm not trying to convince ZM members to flee their stupid forum. I'm not on a crusade to save spoiled teenagers from sitting in front of their computers pretending to save the world.

I provide my opinion based on my perspective. If you want to save ZM members, have at it. I never claimed that was my intent nor would I even want the job.

@Ed,

I honestly don't.