Skeptic Project

http://challenge.bfi.org/

Post it on their forums and see what they say.

*sigh* part of me wants to make a new account and ask. A small part.

I would say it is because they have nothing to show other than drawings and anecdotes. That is probably the real answer why, and BFI probably recognised it instantly.

Without any science they could not even win a wooden spoon.

"Sure, it is unlikely they would get a grant to develop the Venus Project but they could easily get one to develop specific technology they always imply Fresco has all the blue prints to."

True. And taken into account the huge lacks of understanding that these TVP folks have when dealing with economics and politics, that's probably the only thing they'd be able to do. (Not that I'm against technocracy, I just think "we can all discuss stuff and find a logical solution" is stupid)

I think he's a futurist who's not that good at futurism.

Even Fox news doesn't give a shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZDCafccyo

If they did, they'd ask critical questions.

Fox News not asking critical questions is pretty standard for Fox News.

> TVP didn't even get anywhere near the finalists it seems.

Remember when various folk entered them into that Ireland competition and then got upset when their entry got pulled, yet no one appeared to understand that the entry condition was that it was supposed to improve Irelands ecomony, and that their enteries was far too vague about that side of things, other than to say RBE would = paradise..

> apparently "spreading the news" and working in virtual obscurity
> for nearly half a century is much much better.

To be fair, I think its only PJ that says that, and perhaps Roxanne. (I'd love to ask Fresco that directly, as I don't reckon he would say that..)

> Now Fresco has been doing this for over 50 years, in that time there
> has probably been hundreds of opportunities to get grants and prizes
> for the kind of endeavour that they could pitch.

Now I do believe I have some insight into their situation.

> So they are everywhere and even a fraking youtube channel can
> get money.

As someone whose always been on the lookout myself for any grants or competitions to enter, I have to say that generally if your idea is an actual practical sensible one, there are actually rather few grants available for those kind of things..

It also helps if your in some kind of ethnic group, live in a specific deprived area, are of a particular age, gender, or some other catagory that I always fail to fit into, grrrrr..

Here is one competition I entered:

http://www.goodentrepreneur.com/The-Competition/Entries-Pool/Solar-Velomobile</p>

Now I realise that the video isn't all that amazing, and I need to do a better job next, but I am making an effort!

Now I have heard it said that Fresco has talked with money people, but their negoiations never turned out well. Now I've spoken with money people and about the first thing they say is they want at least 40% of any business I create..

Usually followed by, they are only interested once I've created a fully working product and got customers..

If I could do that, I wouldn't need their bloody help!

Having looked at how they have ripped people off after they went into business with them, squeezing them out of the picture and very quickly gaining control of the business, I'm not very inclined myself to work with sharks like that, who are after to trip you up at every oppertunity and steal everything you have legally.

I'm also aware of friends of mine, or folk I know who have been this route and got their fingers burnt, so I'm very cautious there..

I'm also aware of friends/etc. who have been trying far more than Fresco to create things, even going as far as running their own factories and producing world beating products, only later to fail because they lack the skills to actually run a business. (They are great at coming up with great products, designing them, etc. but suck at business..)

I find it interesting how practically any idiot can seem to make money in the world, but its actually down to an awful lot of luck at times, rather than any amount of hard work.

Even doing all of this, people struggle:

http://entrepreneurs.about.com/od/becominganentrepreneur/a/goodluck.htm</p>

http://www.ibam.com/pubs/jbam/articles/vol9/no3/JBAM_9_3_4.pdf</p>

There was another very good article, but I can't find it for now..

Anyhow, the basic premise is that if your able to take advantage of good luck when it appears, then your move forward, but if you lack the resources to do so, you don't make progress..
(Kinda like when I found a grant for several million to build a geothermal plant, but I seriously doubt I could apply for it on my own and do an entry as I lack many of the required skills to write up a detailed entry, hence that would only work if I could find a small team, alas I couldn't find a single person!)

So I can quite well imagine Fresco actually trying rather hard in his younger days, and has now rather given up.

I've not yet given up, but after several decades now of trying various approaches and solutions, have yet to make itmyself, and whilst I'm quite happy to admit making errors along the way, I do make an effort to seek advice and do the best I can. (Things have improved since the internet came along, in that now I at least have far better access to advice from others.)

Its not as easy as you think to make it in this world.

(If you think its easy for you, thats probably because you have some resource that your totally unaware of, be it rich parents helping you, finding yourself in just the right neighbourhood, or gifted with a decent body from birth. (Yes I have brains, but at the age of 13 I was just 42lb in weight and weak as a kitten, having been born with less than ideal parts.)

Here is another example of a failed attempt of mine:

ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/magazines/TheGamesMachine/Issue12/Pages/TheGamesMachine1200092.jpg

I only achived 8 customers or so with that!

Oh well, try again..

(That is a common thing I hear from successful people, many have lots of failures behind them before they are a success one day, but then, I've also heard from people who have been a failure all their lives, they never quite got everything right.)

As such, I'm always keen to see where I went wrong, try to learn and do it better next time. (Which is why I'm always open to advice, help, assistance/etc. and why I think its a shame that Fresco isn't asking for help on his own forums!)

I remember trying unsuccessfully for 5 years to get into university, but each time due to lack of money having to run around earning it, than spending time studying. (I'd litterly be working until 5am in the morning.)

So I can quite imagine that Fresco is one of those unlucky folk in life, as well as not being as skilled enough in what he needs to be to be a success.

So we might ask instead, what could Fresco do to improve his situation, as I can well imagine he has tried.

If anyone can point me to any grants, competitions/etc. that I could enter, I'd be more than happy to give them a try!

Its funny when you think of all the incompetent people in charge of things today, just how did they all get there in the first place!

You know, I was listening to Fresco in that Love Police video yesterday, mentioned earlier today here, and it struck me that Fresco perhaps imagines that gaining peoples interest today, is done like it was back in the 1940's.

He talks about how he just gets to meet a few people, and that a film would mean millions could get to hear him. (Seems no ones mentioned the internet to him! hello, way to get millions to listen without creating an expensive film!)

From what I can gather, by the feel so to speak of chatting with folk who have seen Fresco, or who wanted to see Fresco, that it was in many cases a passing fancy, and many who are interested, are put off by the lack of a more sensible transition plan than what has been offered. (They usually don't bother to tell Fresco about this I notice, they just slink away and go and do something else..)

So without critical feedback, it can very much appear as if your being successful in spreading the word, when in fact, hardly anyone is taking any real notice.

Its not like the 1940's where a quick dash around the globe will suddenly get you tons of support, people are far too jaded nowdays to really care much by such stunts.

He is, sadly, talking to a small, often self selected audience.

If he really wanted to spread the word, he would get on live chats, forums, start talking and answering questions!

I think he has spent a little too long in his ivory tower and is a bit out of touch on how to take advantage of the world today.

lol Freeman Movement

"You know, I was listening to Fresco in that Love Police video yesterday, mentioned earlier today here, and it struck me that Fresco perhaps imagines that gaining peoples interest today, is done like it was back in the 1940's."

Interesting point. Corporate strategy wasn't popular before ~50, maybe that's why he's unable to run a business today.