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anticultistPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 15:19

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gillian said this on January 18, 2010 at 5:53 am
In fact, most of the items on Fresco’s resume<br /> are difficult to verify as there are no dates and locations cited. Places he claimed to have worked for such as Raymond De-Icer Corporation and Rotor Craft Helicopter Company are either no longer in existence or have never existed in the first place. I am not saying that he made it up, but it just can’t be verified.

anticultist said this on January 18, 2010 at 5:56 am
funny that is’nt it ?

Someone with so many amazing claims, and hardly anything can be factually proven, with dates, times, places and evidence.

You could be excused for thinking he had made it up.

There is certainly no doubt he has written books, made appearances on videos though.
And his drawings and models are real.

2010/06/20 at 6:44 pm | In reply to gillian.

Actually, I have verified that neither of those companies have ever existed. A few months ago I had a long email discussion with Jascque’s rite hand lady (i guess) Ms.Meadows. I found that Mr.Fresco claims both the de-icer company, and the rotor craft company were in LA. I called the LA city Tax and Finance board to verify a business license for either of those companies. The woman I spoke with confirmed that there has never been a business license leased for either the De-Icer company, OR the Rotor Craft company, nor has there been similar names in their records. His Resume is FULL of lies.

anticultist said this on June 20, 2010 at 8:14 pm
wow astounding Joe !

I wonder if we could get this evidence officially posted here to make it rock solid ?
Any way you could do that ?

Get it in writing from them officially or something ?</p>

There is only this company which deals with helicopter leasing.

And there is that famous photograph of Jacque Fresco standing on his lawn in front of a helicopter.

I think he leased a helicopter and is making out like he worked for the company, he cant even fly one haha</p>

Discuss :)

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NanosPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 15:40

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It wouldn't suprise me if documentation is difficult to come by, as having worked in the document business myself for two years, its quite common for paperwork to go missing.

There could also easily be a lack of paperwork in the first place if for example someone lied to him about the name of a company, or he misspelt it.

Yes its entirely possible he lied, being that most folk like on their CV's I've heard.. it wouldn't necessarly suprise me.

Even so, with a lot of digging, it should be possible to find some evidence to prove..

(I also did a stint in archaeological work, and was suprised how quickly in just a few decades how information about companies for example could practically vanish into thin air, with nothing more than a few bits of something left in the ground as any evidence whatsoever, and this being modern archaeology!)

I'm reminded of people and organisations that I've worked for in the past, that I'm pretty sure no evidence really exists, especially considering many of the folk involved are now either dead, or had no idea who I was in the first place!

So lets not string him up just yet folks :-)

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anticultistPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 15:52

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No if there is no evidence to support his claims he should remove his claims.

If he is lying it needs pointing out, if it is a lack of evidence he should prove it or remove it.
Otherwise people are going to pull him up about this shit all day long if it goes mainstream.

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MuertosPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 15:59

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Nanos is right. Evidence of companies that existed in the past can indeed be extremely hard to come by in later years, especially if the companies ceased to exist some time before automated records became the norm for most offices.

I'm not ready to denounce Fresco as a resume liar based just on this.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 16:01

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I am saying and standing with what I said above.
If there is no evidence then he will be pulled up on it by people and discredited by it as well as his other claims.

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MuertosPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 16:07

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Yes, you are correct; if Fresco has lied about his C.V., those facts will come out. It does seem that there's enough question that Fresco should at least address it and provide some more specifics to verify when he worked for these companies and what he did there. Most people keep some samples of their work.

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NanosPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 16:26

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He might be able to mention names of people he worked with, (If he can remember them! at 40 something here, I have trouble remembering the names of people I worked with 20 years ago!) so we could check with them.

> if it is a lack of evidence he should prove it or remove it.

Thats a somewhat reasonable comment, as I don't include things in my resume due to the difficulties in proving it, and looking at some of the older stuff, I'm pretty sure now thinking about it, that I have no proof whatsoever of my time working for X and Y companies!

(For example I did 3 months working on an archaelogical dig, yet as far as I can gather, there are no records of it (Even though at the time, pictures and documentation was taken.), the guy who was in charge has since died, and all the people involved in it whose names I remember, do not appear on facebook.. the building I used to work in has since been replaced by housing and no one local I spoke with remembers anything about the place!)

So, did I really spend time digging up old bones, or not..

Which of course, is why people find it so easy to lie on their resumes..

(I've been told several times I should lie on mine to get a job, and even in job interviews people have hinted as to what I should be saying to get the job, but I'm not that kind of person, but how do you know that..)

I may be naive, but offhand Fresco doesn't strike me as the kind to lie about his resume details.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 16:34

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Well you can not judge a book by its cover and the best liars are the ones who are undetected and unsuspected.

So it is best to hold judgement completely but at least keep it in mind it is always possible he did and does lie, and it is also possible he did work for some of these defunct non existant companies.

So at least we all agree it is primarily evidence that makes the final winning play, and since we have none from him he is in the dubious claim bin.

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NanosPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 16:41

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Having spoken with many liers in my time, one common aspect is their lack of being able to live up to the lie.

Being that Fresco for example has at least built his own home, a feat many have yet to achieve, I would tend more to believe him than to disbelieve him.

But it doesn't hurt at least to hunt for evidence.

Just if you don't find any, it doesn't mean what he said still isn't true.

(Personally I would rather spend time on slightly more productive endeavours than what Fresco did 50 years ago, but it interests me a little, especially if it brings up names of people with a similar outlook to Fresco who maybe useful to contact.)

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NanosPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 16:48

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> since we have none from him he is in the dubious claim bin.

Reminds me of the fuss about just how much did Fresco make from TVP, it took years before we saw some actual figures posted that basically showed us he didn't make a fortune from it all.

But of course, without that information, the truth could have been quite different..

Same with PJ, does he or doesn't he make what he says he does off his TVP/TZM links..

Just talking about would I'm sure put many of these concerns to rest. (Eg. if Fresco came onto the forums and talked a bit about his past, whilst some of us would find it mind numbing boring, it could at least help us try and figure out if it sounded plausable or not.)

All of this only really comes about due to us having time on our hands as there is nothing else more productive to be done..

(Eg. this kind of issue rarely comes up in normal day to day work, as your all too focused on getting the job done.)

Its also an interesting obversation on people, that this kind of questioning can quickly go from, we think it would be helpful to know, to mobbing someone.

PJ often sees questions as mobbing for example, or personal attacks, when they are just early questions. (And as we know, not answering them just leads to everyone thinking there is something to hide, which is often not the case..)

We just need the right balance between sensible questions and pushing things too far. (Which we manage pretty well as we aren't censored, so you hear both sides for, and sides like this saying restraint, so we can gauge when we have hit the acceptable limits based on how many people say enough is enough.)

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 17:33

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Does Fresco even have a resume?

All I have found is some old patent regarding camera film.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 18:00

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yeah its on his venus project website, i think it is down right now though.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 18:50

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I thought about flying over there and asking him my list of "non-polite" questions, he's literally asking for it.

But one full weekend, fly, talk, fly back...might be a waste of time.

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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 18:50

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I think Fresco is full of shitte and completely out of date, like a prehistoric fossil that managed to stay alive. I have built houses and barns when I worked for free with the Amish every summer, I helped gather lumber from a near by forest etc.... I know how to work/weld with metal thanks to working at a foundry throughput my teenage years (first job I got, also one of the funnest). Fresco to me hasn't proved shitte, I see no memory metal car, I see no bullet like train that comes apart to make building or whatever that does, I see no flying house helicopter thing, I see none of these things in real time. Also i do not know the circumstances as to when he built those Dragon Ballz look a like houses because for all we know somebody else could of built it for him/came up with the idea etc... From what I see or following the trend of what I don't see I don't see the guy buying much of anything just a lot of talk and I actually define what i just said as the scientific method because the scientific method to me straight up is if I don't see it with my eyes it an't there...

I wish I could find that video during Zday towards the end Fresco was asked during FAQ by a individual how he or somebody could be a apprentice under Fresco to build stuff, Fresco blew the question off (of course everybody gives Fresco a pass because he's old) and said to read books and watch DVD's. That shows me he doesn't know shitte, and when Fresco appoints a person like fat tits VTV to be the spokeperson of the venus project well that just seals the deal the old man is full of it. At best Fresco fakes building real building. I don't deny the man builds lego models cars and buildings I did that as well when I was 9 years old, I don't deny he draws anything, I do deny that he's ever made anything in real practical use and at that I'll make the claim he has rarely did so meaning he might like everybody else come up with small solutions aka jerry rigg again like everybody else to solve a problem but nothing major.

Fresco has managed to take advantage of people who have no clue on how to do things for themselves. Do to our (U.S.) failed educational system Fresco aka the con artist has managed to prey on people less sophisticated in being innovated because school do not teach this, so Fresco like any good con man takes advantage of this and pretends he's done all these things. What sucks though is we may not be able to prove a damn things as for as if his resume is true or false and I simply say I don't need a resume action speak louder than words, what's he got right no? What's he doing right? Through observation he's got nothing he's doing nothing, the old man is simply a con artist looking to get through one more GREAT heist before he kicks the bucket. But I will look more into this Fresco guy, if I found anything (which I doubt) I'll post it up here on CS asap.

Fresco is just riding on peoples "hope" like in the Obama campaign... I just get disturbed that Fresco is knowingly doing this as he has nothing to help humanity yet pretends he does... Tell me anything that the venus project does besides give the Obama hope? at that the Zeitgeist movement as well. Like I said somewhere in CS The Zeitgeist movement worships the venus project and their leaders like Christians worship the heaven's and their Gods.

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advancedatheistPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 19:18

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I met a guy in cryonics who claimed he worked for the U.S. as an assassin in Indochina before our involvement in the Vietnam conflict ramped up, and he even hinted that he had something to do with assassinations in the U.S. in the 1960's. (Like, what, from the Grassy Knoll?) He died and went into cryonic suspension in 1991.</p>

Of course, I can't verify any of his claims now. Saying that you did covert special ops stuff provides about as good a cover for a spurious background as referring to your jobs with possibly imaginary companies in the 1930's and 1940's.

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SkyPosted: Jun 20, 2010 - 19:29

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It sounds like that guy was risking a lot by publicly admitting he was an assassin, if it was true. If someone wanted to get revenge on him they wouldn't even have to kill him while he was alive, they could just throw his frozen head in the trash and there would be nothing he could about it.

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NanosPosted: Jun 21, 2010 - 00:27

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> I have built houses and barns when I worked for free with the Amish every summer,

I must say, I do admire this about Billll, and that we wouldn't know this unless you told us about it on this forum! (If Fresco/etc. is reading, this is how to get on with people, talk about yourself!)

> for all we know somebody else could of built it for him/came up with the idea etc...

True, and is why its so important for him to post some pictures of it being built!

> I simply say I don't need a resume action speak louder than words

That statement I think helps explain well your approach to things, and helps me to better understand you.

> Fresco is just riding on peoples "hope" like in the Obama campaign...

I have to say, I'm not a fan of that kind of approach and I do see a lot of that with Fresco. (Even more so with PJ..)

> I thought about flying over there and asking him my list of "non-polite" questions
>, he's literally asking for it.
> But one full weekend, fly, talk, fly back...might be a waste of time.

You could phone instead when they get back from their tour..

I sometimes think of that, but then I remember that such challanging phone calls often end badly for me when I ask difficult questions.. so I imagine it would be a total waste of time for me in that regard, based on my previous experience of trying to speak with such people.

I do agree though that more action would help credibility.

FX [ rushes off to build more credibility.. ]

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AltonPosted: Jun 21, 2010 - 20:41

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Anytime Jacque claims to be an Industrial Engineer, I just have to chuckle because after doing some digging myself, I could not find any warranted examples of him designing or engineering different practical infrastructures (including things like plumbing and electrical wiring) for developers or governments outside of the Venus Project drawings and models.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 21, 2010 - 20:54

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I've run a lot of cat5 in my life, as well as coax in my younger days. This actually qualifies me more, as Alton has pointed out.

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