Skeptic Project

Nice save, PJ.

Does this remind anyone of the "Who is Peter Joseph?" video that came out just a few days after he was called out for various things?

Which you covered before anticultist:

http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/who-is-peter-joseph/<br /> http://anticultist.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/who-is-peter-joseph-part-2/

Indeed, My question would be

1.Peter Merola since your against money, I heard the new zeitcult movie will be released in movie theaters... Will I be charged MONEY to see the movie? If so will that not be taking your cult movement back a few steps from originally being free to download off the net or paying $5 for a dvd?

2. Next question Peter Merola are you really a doctor? If not do you have any credentials? If not do you have anything?

3.Next question why are you so upset with linking to websites that may disagree with you?

4.Next question, why are you answering questions? I find it a bit disturbing that their are NO LEADERS to tzm yet I see this (below quotes)

"likely colorful radio show on the 30th of this month, which I will simply call : "TZM: Complaints and Attacks""

"Rules:
(1)Do not post links to anything or videos. To submit a inquiry here you must type out the exact complaint/attack premise, NOT including the source. Any links/videos posted will be removed, so please respect this."

"Please submit below any attacks/complaints you have found regarding The Zeitgeist Movement & The Venus Project, no matter how irrational or ignorant. That stated, I do wish for you all to have some taste here for the sake of not wasting my/your time. For example, I hope I don't see things like: "There is a claim TZM worships Satan- is this true?!" It should be obvious to all of you by now that we are a Luciferian new age cult... right?"

"This exercise is essentially intended to respond to those which seem to think we here are avoiding/censoring "important" questions about The Movement. This is a common, often misguided claim. However, as annoying as it can be, I will take the time to address even the most absurd ridicules of The Movement. Yet...again, please use common sense when posting. And again- please keep it in context of The Movement itself."

So if their are no leaders why all these rules dictated by you Peter? Why are you the foremost experiment in TZM? Because you made a film? You made Zeitgeist I and II and now your trying to dissociate those movies with your cult, you pretend your not the leader of TZM but you do things such as answer questions about TZM? O_o Blacklist websites you deem as a threat and the list goes on... So are you the leader of TZm or are you not, if your not what's your title, at that if their is no leader then their is no authority and things are dictated by concept and beliefs, not one person has any more or less power as anybody else.

5.Peter Merola do you think people on conspiracy science website are all mentally Ill that disagree with you?

I can't wait until the logical back flips and the condescending tone "And so blah.. blah.. blah blah blah."

> This site gets a tremendous amount of traffic

This one made me laugh :-)

Since, the moment the site appeared, I have constantly asked for stats so as to get some idea on traffic to parts of the site (For something so easy to make available, there has been rather a lot of silence about providing it, perhaps someone doesn't want us to know the truth..), but looking at for example of the number of page views for say a particular forum post, something practical and sensible say, oh I dunno, about creating a jobs section, gets the huge total of 13 people viewing it. I'm rather inclined to imagine that the site gets actually very little real traffic to the parts that are of any use.

Evident in part for example, by the oh so busy IRC/Text chat which hardly manages to have anyone chatting on it ever now.

It reminds me of that recent TV newsish show about Fresco, mentioning how 50 million people was part of TZM/TVP, or knew about it..

I suppose that sounds so much better than, 49 million, 900 and 99 thousand, 950 people knew about it, and 50 was actually part of it.. :-)

If its one thing that annoys me, its PR spin that stretches the truth way beyond reasonable.

I favour more honesty when it comes to convincing the public that there is a solution to their benefit, otherwise your going to sound like every other wallet opener out there to fleece you..

I see GavinPalmer1984 has put forward the very kind of questions I would have (Have done repeatedly for how many years now..) if I could..

> 1. TZM/TVP has not developed a transition strategy that is applicable right now.

> Why not implement multiple strategies simultaneously? Why not implement a strategy
> that empowers TVP ability to create change - like local currency and self-sufficient
> communities that target scarcity and education as some of their many objectives?

(And how long will we have to wait for the transcripts for his radio show.. a year perhaps.. as I'm not really prepaired to waste 2 hours listening to find out he has yet again, not really answered the question.. but I don't mind spending 2 minutes skimming down a transcript to find the bit..)

Or maybe someone here can listen and give the gist of the answer :-)

> GavinPalmer1984- please respect the request made in the main post:

Mmm... next on the chopping block perhaps ?

I notice there is much feeling and comment about the, why not do anything practical right now aspects, a continuing thorn that just isn't going away, no matter how many people you seem to ban.. (eg. the question keeps coming up from new folk..)

The repeated answer of 'not now' wears rather thin as people become jobless, homeless and fall off the radar, all the whilst someone who lives in a comfortable appartment with a job/income, telling us all "I'm alright Jack'..

The other, part answer of, 'you are free to do what you want outside of offical TZM structures/resources', is like the Church telling you 'What are you coming here for, we can't help you!'..

All that centralised resource structure, sitting there, under-uterlised, tragic.

What was hoped to be mankinds cooperative moment, is instead, very much at the mercy of natural selection.

No, even if there are 500 guests it will still say (1) Guest, I think it's a forum bug. So, there's no real telling how many people are actually looking at it that aren't logged in.

It would be most interesting to know just what pages people was looking at on the site, as I can well imagine people not looking very far into it. (Aided of course by the fact that parts of it you cannot look into unless your registered, logged in and found your way past the various bugs now that prevent easy access..)

Such data could of course be invaluable in determining what needs improving on the site, etc/etc. but requests for such information always met with a blank stare..

I'm reminded of that Cameroon couple, if anyone else remembers them, keen on implimenting RBE solutions should her husband get elected into power..

Now, did they make an effort to communicate with them we ask ourselves..

Well, every now and then I'd enquire, just how are things going on with those folk and TZM/TVP..

The answer I got back was that one person had been assigned to provide them with TVP/TZM material, that was it!

And, as of last time I had checked, they hadn't bothered to pick up said material..

Sometimes tells me they was perhaps expecting a little more assistance..

(Incidently, I was the only one to respond to their forum post with a practical answer to their question of, how can RBE solutions help our country.. (With one of my answers of, sustainable logging to create exports..))

Then there was interest from that guy whose in line to run Philippines, I don't suppose they spoke with him either..

Or the several millionaires that came and went..

> this month there have been about 18,574

Comparing that to a site I know which is awfully dull and boring, and it gets 140,000, of which its forum has an active population of just several hundred. (And a reported user list of some 8,000)

I'd guess that would mean the active forum numbers on TZM might be in the tens, rather than hundreds..

(Again, stats on forum users would have been awfully useful in seeing which countries, what gender/age/etc. users came and went, posted, etc.)

ahh yes I obvously see no correlation between the amount of users that go onto the zeitgeistmovie.com website and thezeitgeistmovement.com, nono zeitgeistmovie.com website is not affliated with the zeitgeist movie. Those numbers from zeitgeistmovie.com being a traffic rating based on a 3 month period of 59,778 +9,953 and thezeitgeistmovement.com being traffic rating based on a 3 month period of 59,222 +21,350 is just coincidence. As much coincidence as stating putting gas in your car has no connection in powering your car or that Peter Merola isn't the leader of the zeitgeist movement yet publically degrees a blacklist of any website/group/or individual that disagrees with him such as CS or RBOSE, denies that his films are conspiracy theories when they clearly are, etc...

Traffic Rank
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/zeitgeistmovie.com#<br /> zeitgeistmovie.com
7 day 83,863 +6,424
1 month 77,102 +20,146
3 month 59,778 +9,953

Traffic Rank
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thezeitgeistmovement.com#<br /> thezeitgeistmovement.com
7 day 59,557 -17,252
1 month 67,564 +7,721
3 month 59,222 +21,350

naw Peter the movies aren't the movement, and the numbers don't lie. Granted like Captain Ferseus said these numbers are not accurate but I do believe their good enough to get a good picture of what's going on as far as one correlation look between the movie and the movement.

If you ask me he has been having low numbers on his radio show, thunder has been running it for him and its likely noone has been tuning in to listen to his ignorant garbage. So what better way to return than to do a sensationalist hit piece on important points people have previously brought up on his forum which he banned people for and ignored at the time. He probably thinks all the people who are questioning him will tune in as well as his hardcore cult members, giving his show some nice listening numbers.

Also I suppose it makes him feel important because people are listening to him, I think I will just wait for it to be hosted and grab it, then dissect it. He is not going to address the real problems with any real effect like a complete lack of transition plan [is he just going to magic one up], TVP/TZM Jacques lack of real science and scientific method [Is he just going to rustle up a bunch of tests,data and white papers for everyone to validate], members being cultlike and having rhetorical replies and canned responses [Is he going to ban these members for being overly dogmatic], they do nothing for anyone other than talk and post on forums [Is he going to suddenly have change off heart and get his movement to do something for the world today]. Shit theres so many stupid problems and fundamental flaws with them I am only scratching the surface above.

The important point I want to make here is this: Lack of critical thought allowed on his forum. This should be obvious because he is asking for the critical questions people pose off his forum ! All of which have been asked on his forum before and never addressed. So this is just a way to do a PR spin where he makes out he is addressing points and his members can link to this show as evidence. In actuality it is only evidence of him having a 1 sided controlled address with no debate, after he has banned the people who originally asked on his forum.

He seems able to travel around the world fairly freely, he doesnt have a day job so he clearly has plenty of reserves or some method of making quick incomes when he needs.

> If you ask me he has been having low numbers on his radio show

What was the numbers ?

(Or is that information not kept... in case it sounds too bad...)

I have a vague memory they started off something like 1,000+ and now doesn't go above 100

> I don't believe Merola is hurting for money.

It would be nice if he told us how he made his money, so the rest of us can benefit from his wisdom..

Everyone else on the forum managed pretty well to share tips and information on how they make their money, to try and help everyone else get another rung up the ladder. (Its such a shame there is no central, 'go here to work on making tons of money' area..)

> [is he just going to magic one up]

That was always my hope, that he would listen and do that.

I had practically given up that hope, until VTV spoke with Fresco/Roxanne on one of his recent radio shows, and there was a glimer of hope, only that he isn't going to discuss with them until they get back from their tour.. (So another 6 months wait..)

It might possibly cause a rift between TVP and TZM if one decides to be practical when the other is not..

Or maybe PJ is going to change tack and work on a more practical level.

Maybe..

Just its been several years and PJ just shows a continued against practical more than anything. (Amusingly, only VTV shows the occasional sensible walk in this direction, and of course Fresco when you can actually reach him appears to have a practical side to him, but whether this fits in with what Roxanne wants, or allows past him is another matter..)

Lets say, if he does change tack, I will be astounded!

If he does, does that mean he will let back in all the practical minded folk he booted out :-)

As far as I'm concerned he's just another guru. Whether he's an intentional fraud or a well meaning idiot is fairly irrelevant to my overall opinion of both ZM and TVP.

Also VTV has boobs lol.

www.aaronmhatch.com/DJM.jpg

Another member banned for asking questions.

Are you a member on that forum Billll ?

I just noticed they have it advertised in some of their videos on youtube.