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Dr_Benedict_ZaroffPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 01:38
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Why do CTers always use the strawman fallacy?

Here's another question: Is red herring better sauteed or grilled?

And WHAT HAPPENED TO G'BOAGFRAN?

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caseyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:17
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The fact that somthing happend other than what the nist or 911 commision report came up with, dosent make me or anyone else a CTer lol!

http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/05/21/nist-report-on-wtc-7-debunked-exposed/

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1cvkz_911-truth-nist-report-debunked_news</p>

Yep thats the NIST report ripped to shreads lol!

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:22
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Why do you believe the NIST 'debunking' video but not any of the real 9/11 debunking videos?

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caseyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:33
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I don't know what 911 debunking vids you are talking about, as you never specified!! I believe the two NIST vids i posted because after waching them they made sence....can anyone here point any faults out therin? Please i want to here your imput!

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:40
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You don't want to hear anyone's input, because we've provided that in the past but you simply brushed it off if you didn't agree with it.

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caseyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:46
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I may have in the past but i have looked at many more things since then and im more open minded to debate if you are? Check the links, the NIST report and see what you can come up with

http://wtc.nist.gov/

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MuertosPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:48
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Casey, you're a troll just here for your own amusement. Why do you think we should take anything you post seriously?

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caseyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:54
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By troll i presume you mean somone using a false account? i.e a troll account?

Muertos if you don't want to engage in debate that is up to you!

Why do you think we should take anything you post seriously?

Easy cop out if you can't think of anything to say then don't!

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MuertosPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 14:59
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Casey, if you recall, you asked for scientific information that disproves the 9/11 conspiracy claims.

I provided three pieces of it. You did not read them, you admitted you did not read them, but instead ran around and continued to post conspiracist YouTube links, shrieking about how it's all a conspiracy and we should "DO THE MATH" and those of us who don't agree with conspiracy theories are totally in denial.

Explain to me why, in light of this behavior, I should consider you willing to "engage in debate."

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caseyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 15:20
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Because ive been looking at alot of other stuff.... stuff where normally i would think yeah they are right its a CT but i can't make my kind up! Other things fema coffins ...tectonic weapons i just don't belive.... as i said the more im looking the more fantasy stories im seeing! But the NIST report at the very least is not convicing, and its the one thing you tried to shoot me down with!

Im not trying to shoot anyone down... anymore at least! So make up your mind are we going to talk or not, im prepared to and look at any evidece you provide but can you give it in smaller bites please and not all at once so i can digest it! My brain is saying no its a con cover up ect but i want to look at both sides if you don't mind helping i am prepared to listen this time!

p.s in advance
And your not expected to belive me, before you ask me why you should! I would like some critical answers on the two links i posted that is all!

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EdPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 16:06
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Casey!

You are NOT debating! You are just throwing out youtube videos and other peoples articles!

And OMG FEMA? Coffins? They are called burial vaults, its what you put coffins in to protect them, and there is nothing strange about them at all.

People like Alex Jones lie to you and you believe all of it it without question. All that matters to you is that they are promoting a conspiracy.

If you want to debate then why don't you actually debate?

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MuertosPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 16:14
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"can you give it in smaller bites please..."

*SIGH* I'm not even sure why I'm bothering, but I'll make one more attempt to get through to Casey.

This is the abstract from one of the papers I posted:

Previous analysis of progressive collapse showed that gravity alone suffices to explain
the overall collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers. However, it remains to be checked whether the recent allegations of controlled demolition have any scientific merit. The present analysis proves that they do not. The video record available for the first few seconds of collapse is shown to agree with the motion history calculated from the differential equation of progressive collapse but, despite uncertain values of some parameters, it is totally out of range of the free fall hypothesis, on which these allegations rest. It is shown that the observed size range (0.01 mm—0.1 mm) of the dust particles of pulverized concrete is consistent with the theory of comminution caused by impact, and that less than 10% of the total gravitational energy, converted to kinetic energy, sufficed to produce this dust (whereas more than 150 tons of TNT per tower would have to be installed, into many small holes drilled into concrete, to produce the same pulverization). The air ejected from the building by gravitational collapse must have attained, near the ground, the speed of almost 500 mph (or 223 m/s, or 803 km/h) on the average, and fluctuations must have reached the speed of sound. This explains the loud booms and wide spreading of pulverized concrete and other fragments, and shows that the lower margin of the dust cloud could not have coincided with the crushing front. The
resisting upward forces due to pulverization and to ejection of air, dust and solid fragments, neglected in previous studies, are found to be indeed negligible during the first few seconds of collapse but not insignificant near the end of crush-down. The calculated crush-down duration is found to match a logical interpretation of seismic record, while the free fall duration grossly disagrees with this record.

Source: http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/Bazant_WTC_Collapse_What_Did__Did_No.pdf</p>

There you have it. The towers did NOT collapse at "free-fall speed," contrary to what EVERY 9/11 Truther claims.

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SkyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 16:34
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Hey look Casey, I found a Youtube video about free fall speeds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4

Actually I think I showed this video to Casey like 6 months ago and he just ignored me. What a moron.

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caseyPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 17:11
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I will look into this and reply tomorrow ...AND I PROMISE I REALLY WILL!! Im just dead sleepy and im going to bed! Im watching one more thing and then im calling it for the night.

Interview with John Schroeder 911 FIREMAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

Its just ive seen a few of these eyewitness reports, and i cant remeber any of you making a comment on any of them! Muertos Im going to read your post and follow your link and i will ask about it after i have had a good look.

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EdPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 18:18
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Casey, Schroeder is the only firefighter that believes there might have been explosives.

He is is sad case where 911 truthers manipulated his post traumatic confusion over the events. He is under the impression that the South tower collapse before the North tower.

http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/9:03:anexplosioninthelobby%3F

See also this:
http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/answerstootherquestionsraisedintheinterv2</p>

Also, I have previously told you that if you want to say Building 7 was a demolition then the FDNY HAVE TO BE LYING. I asked you over and over again and you ignored me everytime.

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MuertosPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 18:33
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What do you want to bet that tomorrow Casey comes back, ignores everything we've posted and all our questions, and starts spamming YouTube links again and shrieking that it was all a conspiracy?

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EdPosted: Jun 09, 2010 - 18:44
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Ah look I found a VIDEO for Casey to look at. I know he likes videos, Im sorry its not youtube but it is googlevideos.

John Schroeder Companion Video – The 9/11 Collapses:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2083421624495848233&hl=en#

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