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Hello Im new here I want to ask what is your take on the Georgia Guidestones the Alex Jones supporters use the Georgia Guidestones to prove the New World Order conspiracy theory can anyone or any website debunk this claim for example the first message says.
Alex Jones supporters and other conspiracy theorists claim this is proof of the New World Order depopulation plan.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

The George Guidestones are the result of New Age garbage and are completely unrelated to the Alex Jones conspiracy. It's been a long held belief that 500m is the best amount for the Earth.

If I put up a sign that said "The ideal for the Earth is 90% less than what it is now" does that mean that I have some secret connection to the NWO and the NWO conspiracy is correct? Or does it mean that, given the rest of my New Age garbage on the same sign, that I'm just a weirdo with too much money?

Here are some questions to ponder:
1) Why would they put them in stones for everyone to see?
2) Alex Jones would claim they're bragging, well if they want to brag so much, why don't they just go ahead and do it?
3) These same theories on depopulation go back hundreds of years, except it was typically the Jews or something that were wanting to kill of Europeans.
4) Most importantly: All of Alex Jones' other evidence that depopulation is coming is either from long dead eugenicists who have no baring on society today, or is simply non-existent. Such as his claim that the UN has documents referring to such, but he relies on the fact that said documents he sources are almost impossible to get a hold of, because it's simply not in there.

As I asked on another thread, what about the spontaneous depopulation in much of the world already under way? A whole lot of countries have below replacement fertility rates now, without any plan to bring it about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

>What about it?

You don't need a "conspiracy" to make population growth level off. It happens organically in many societies once they reach a certain level of development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

Jones apparently claims that the Georgia Guidestones reveal some evil secret plan. But people have voluntarily chosen to have fewer kids, not because someone has ordered them to do so.

Yes, and his claim is not true.

1984 is based on George Orwell's perceived far extreme of what would happen if Stalinism were to overtake the earth. And that's never happened, so no that's not based on fact.

Brave New World was written by Aldous Huxley as a way of showing how monstrous a future based on "genetic" engineering could be. It was meant to be a parody of another book Men Like Gods, which promotes this view as a good thing. I say "genetic" in quotes because genetic engineering wasn't a real idea back then, if you actually read it talks about putting human embryos under high heat so they'll desire tropical climates. Things like this simply don't work at all, and it's not meant to be real. So no, it's not based on fact either.

One book that I know that you never read is Tragedy and Hope.

But it proofs that bankers run the world thourgh there round tables. Bill Clinton even talks about him in his speech.

But they are just tools of the bankers. The real power behind everything.

And why did you bring up 1984 and Brave New World? I know Alex Jones claims it's their "plans" but that's not even close to being true. Huxley's brother did tell him about various concepts regarding eugenics and such that did influence his work, but like I said Brave New World is a parody, not a promotion. And we all know eugenics didn't work out and most eugenics programs came to an end before the 1940s. If the NWO wanted to promote eugenics, they wouldn't have ended all the programs all around the world, they would have kept them going.

I take it you've never read 1984 or Brave New World.

You asked a moment ago if 1984 and Brave New World were based on fact. I mean... are you sure you were reading the same 1984 and Brave New World as everyone else? Furthermore, do you not have a problem with a book citing no references or sources?

While we're on the topic, if a conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones makes a claim, he doesn't need evidence, but if I counter a claim of his, I need countless sources, and even then all my of sources are incorrect, disinformation, etc.

I never said that. I said he didn't have any references or sources. I believe that Carroll Quigley took a lot of real information and attempted to put it together to fit a scenario that he had in his own mind.

WTF does any of this have to do with the Georgia Guidestones?