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mikejohnsonPosted: Jul 03, 2011 - 16:35
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Are there conspiracy theorists who believe in the new world order conspiracy but disagree with Alex Jones that the new world order's agenda is depopulation ?

"The Voice of Economic Nationalism," by Eyal Press (July, 1998)
Pat Buchanan attacks globalism as a conspiracy of "elites" callously indifferent to the wages and living standards of working families.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/98oct/clintec.htm

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Vasper85Posted: Jul 03, 2011 - 17:31
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I think if you are NWO, you need to swallow the whole "elites are gonna kill us all" hook line and sinker. And it has to be "elites" not just plain old rich people. Sounds more sinister that way.

You know, I never got the whole NWO=Depopulation angle. Birthrates in most first world nations are below replacement level so in essence we are undergoing depopulation right now in certain regions. I don't see people going on about that? And using no more of an insidious method than a higher standard of living and ~gasp~ education. So if the "NWO" really wanted depopulation to occur and the population of 3rd world nations to stabilize, education and ending poverty would do it. But then that would make them good guys and not very "NWO"-ish.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jul 03, 2011 - 17:40
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False Link: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/98jul/buchanan.htm</p>

TL;DR version:
"Critics -- including most politicians and the great majority of academic economists -- will point to Buchanan's overheated claims as proof that like most opponents of free trade, he is a knee-jerk protectionist who simply fails to grasp the complexities of the issue."

The problem itself shouldn't be dismissed prematurely: That the vast numbers of unskilled laborers in the US (or any developed nation) will be unable to compete with international wagedumping and that free trade - while providing economic benefits for investors and large multinationals - will do less than nothing for the already impoverished seems to be a reasonably solid stance one can take.

The article pretty much points out all the problems one could find with this position, except for a more strategic one:
One could certainly focus all political attention on making the US more independent, which would lead to more stability and maybe even an increase in wages (although the latter would be somewhat unlikely), the real question is whether this is superior to the propositions centrists and progressives have to offer; mainly revert the deregulations of the SSE-heavy Bush years, focus on education and technology and increase social mobility through focused government programs instead of tax cuts.

I don't really care either way, I'm attracted to economics as a science, not its application for national interest.

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The Real RoxettePosted: Jul 03, 2011 - 17:49
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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Are there conspiracy theorists who believe in the new world order conspiracy but disagree with Alex Jones that the new world order's agenda is depopulation ?

Rense fans believe in it, but think Alex Jones is a secret Jew.

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EdPosted: Jul 03, 2011 - 20:05
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"globalism" and "elites" don't have to mean what conspiracy theorists claim they mean.

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