Skeptic Project

Why do you post here?

I'm very glad you've come to realize all that and have jumped off the sinking ship that is TZM. I really am. Now you can take that time, energy and drive to work with organizations that don't have reputations tarnished by conspiracy theories and cranks. And I hope you do just that.

@Muertos I have said to you in the past that when you opened to the doors towards towards learning about Desteni CS and others would get a better perspective of what internet cults are about.

Vasper85 is a prime example of what CS is talking about when it comes to dogma belief. When a person becomes so emotionally attached to a cult like TZM they often do not listen to reason but when you begin to show them similar cults they often with time begin to see similar traits within their own cult. At first like Vasper85 has said and done they may attempt to fix things but eventually come to the conclusion that they cannot. At this time Vasper85 and possibly others go into denial until eventually something clicks be it getting mad over something or something else but but eventually some people come to the realization that something may be wrong with a organization they joined, that maybe there organization isn't good as Ithey make it sound to be, and then finally maybe they should no longer be/represent this organization anymore.

I'm glad that CS has had success stories like Vasper85 and others when it comes to making them realize how their not thinking rationally. I really do think by learning more about internet cults as a whole we and others can learn more as well as compare internet cults amongst each other to see what tactics/strategies they implement for recruitment.

@Vasper85

What person would come here and call himself "TeeZedem" and directly engage his critics? Again someone who was perceived as dogmatic and probably a little to full of himself.

That's exactly what I thought.

So back to Desteni, I asked myself what they could do as a group to make me give them the benefit of the doubt, and the answer is nothing.

I believe Desteni values money which is something that you advocate against because it's a TZM ideology. Money is vital if you want to live in today's society unless of course you want to live on the fringes of society then welfare it is.

Desteni does have 1 realistic value that is actually good and that is liking money. If you were to ask me which ideology seems to be more realistic as to if someone could live by right now I'd say Desteni has a more solid and realistic belief system in terms of giving money importance and TZM has a very dangerous belief system that is unrealistic and if someone were to live by the TZM system as of now they would not only not have a healthy environment from a lack of money but their mental health is put into serious question as well.

What I'm saying is when a person does not have any money or a lot of money, I'm betting their there mental as well as there physical health declines as towards this belief more so than if one were to believe in Desetni idelology. When I think of Desteni I just think of crazy bald headed people. When I think of TZM I think of poor, crazy, and mentally unstable Jared Lee Loughners. Peter Joseph said it himself that TZM is full of poor people. Similarly Bums are another group that advocate against money and also advocate not having a job something TZM ideology is basically about.

If a gun were pointed to my head and I was asked to pick a ideology between TZM or Desteni ideology to believe in I'd pick Desenti over TZM after giving much thought to it. Don't get me wrong though Desenti is piss poor ideology and completely crazy when it goes into channeling Hitler but as far as tangible realistic goals it has way more ground in reality than TZM ever had.

I used to be annoyed when Billl would make statements like "If TZM/TVP ever got into power I would join the military to fight them." It seemed an irrational position to take not to mention it made me wonder if he was perhaps slightly challenge.

You're Canadian, so you'll naturally be against any recognizable authority figure and of course see my statement as irrational. Here in America my statement is a good thing to protect ones own country from in this case ideological retards such as TZM who promote communism.

But I would take Billl's position when it comes to Desteni, because although I feel they have a nugget of a good idea, it is wrapped in a shit sandwich. Which is exactly how the mainstream perceives TZM if at all.

I would agree and would do something similar as well. I'd probably be more serious with Desteni though because they have more realistic goals and would have more of a possibility of accomplishing these goals than TZM ever could.

TZM has nothing, everything was made in TVP. The only thing TZM has is Peter Joseph's films that's it. I think of TZM as a fan club to promote conspiracy theory's and Peter Joseph's films and not really do anything else.

I got irritated because Desteni and TZM are often tarred and feathered in the same sentence, but that is most likely due to the similarities in dogma.

The thing is internet cults such as TZM and Desteni are very similar to each other. The fact that their is a comparison of the two is the reason your no longer with TZM anymore. If Muertos never posted a thing about Desteni I'm a betting man you'd still be with TZM. With that I hope CS explores more into different internet cults besides TZM and Desteni so we can learn and understand more about internet cults.

I've told people this a few times but internet cults is a new recognized phenomena that is a bit of a obscure topic to begin with. The more we learn, write and gather info about it the less obscure it is and the more legit or possibly less legit it can get.