Skeptic Project

I'm what? A reptilian overlord?

Of course I am. *zaps flying insect with my tongue*

Haha so you admit it....... at last the evidence ive been looking for....

Muertos Prison Planet doesnt like Reptilian stuff, Icke might like it though :D

I bet if I made a YouTube video of myself zapping an insect with my tongue, it would be on Prison Planet within 5 minutes as definitive "proof" of the New World Order.

lolololololololololoooolllololo lmfao lmao rtfl ect ect

sil what do you mean??

no i don't

>>"You know i know the truth"

That is the complete opposite of reality, Casey.

In case you really need an explanation of my post:

First line: Satire at your expense. Take a look at how you apologized for your posts, and yet your new posts read just like your old ones. Barely a notch above incoherent ramblings.

Second line: Your terrible spelling, grammar, reading comprehension, etc. are so bad that it just makes it seem like you are a parody.

I guess I just didn't notice a difference between your drunken posts and your (apparently) sober posts. I'm not stopping you from posting your opinion, just the way you do so seems quite obnoxious. And there's a difference between non-perfect grammar (I'm no master Grammarian myself) and writing sentences that take forever to comprehend. No one is using your grammar as an argument against your beliefs, but judging by your past threads, even when you are presented with evidence to the contrary you just ignore it and go on about how you "KNOW THE TRUTH!!!!" like every other CT'er who strolls into this forum.

>> The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Which is why we need to keep an eye on conspiracy theorists, because if they gained real traction, they'd create a paranoid tyranny unseen for decades. The only thing worse than labeling everyone who disagrees with you as an enemy, is actually believing in imaginary enemies that are everywhere, and your enemies are all a part of a vast conspiracy.

The only thing worse than labeling everyone who disagrees with you as an enemy. No there is nothing worse unless you just want to close all debate.... mary tudor burned at the stake 300 or so protestant (heretics) for the same reason!! And why keep an eye on conspiracy theorists what are they going to do EXACTLY?

And sill YAWN....

I read: 'If you don't agree with me, you're just too closed minded and also wrong!'

No your too lazy too look!! At least proply..... blank your mind like you know nothing of all what has happend and ask your self the question..DER HOLD ON A MINUTE

The Windsor Building Fire
Huge Fire in Steel-Reinforced Concrete Building Causes Partial Collapse
windsor building after fire
The Windsor Building after the fire was extinguished

On the night of February 12, 2005, a fire started in the Windsor building in Madrid, Spain, a 32-story tower framed in steel-reinforced concrete. At its peak, the fire, which burned for almost a day, completely engulfed the upper ten stories of the building. More than 100 firefighters battled to prevent the uncontrollable blaze from spreading to other buildings. 1
During the night the building shedded larged pieces, which crashed to the ground. 2

The fire apparently caused the collapse of the top floor spans surrounding the still-standing core structure of the ten uppermost floors. As in the case of the other large skyscraper fire since 9/11/01, fears of total building collapse in the case of the Windsor fire were widely reported. 3 Those fears would again prove unfounded.

Because the Windsor fire produced a partial collapse, some have argued that it validates the official account of the collapses of WTC Buildings 1, 2, and 7. Because the same fire was so massive and did not produce total collapse, others have cited it as evidence disproving that account.
Steel Versus Steel-Reinforced Concrete

In fact, comparisons between the Windsor tower and the WTC Towers are limited because of the very different structures of these buildings. The Twin Towers and Building 7 were both 100% steel-framed, with large wide-flange columns and box columns, some measuring over four feet wide and fabricated of steel up to five inches thick. Severe fires in other skyscrapers which, like the WTC Towers, were 100% steel-framed, have not produced even partial collapses.

In contrast to the WTC Towers, the Windsor building was framed primarily in steel-reinforced concrete, with columns of concrete reinforced by thin sections of rebar. 4 The concrete pillars in the Windsor building are clearly visible in the photographs showing the intact core exposed by the collapsed facade. The very light construction of the perimeter, described below, makes it clear that the core was the main load-bearing component of the building.
Windsor fire Windsor fire close-up
Compare these photographs of the Windsor building fire to photographs of the Twin Towers' fires and Building 7's fires

Before examining the partial collapse of the Windsor building more closely, we note that steel-framed and steel-reinforced-concrete-framed structures behave very differently in fires.

* Steel is a good conductor and concrete is a poor conductor of heat. Thus in a fire, a steel frame will conduct heat away from the hotspots into the larger structure. As long as the fire does not consume the larger structure, this heat conductivity will keep the temperatures of the frame well below the fire temperatures. The same is not true of steel-reinforced-concrete structures, since concrete is not a good thermal conductor, and the thermal conductivity of the rebar inside the concrete is limited by its small mass and the embedding matrix of concrete.
* Fires can cause spalling of concrete, but not of steel. This is because concrete has a small percentage of latent moisture, which is converted to steam by heat. Thus, a large fire can gradually erode a concrete structure to the point of collapse, whereas a fire can only threaten a steel-framed structure if it elevates steel temperatures to such an extent that it causes failures.

Windsor Building Partial Collapse

The observation that the Windsor Building is the only skyscraper to have suffered even a partial collapse as a result of fire suggests that the use of steel-reinforced-concrete framing was responsible. A closer look at the incident shows reality to be more complex. The portion of the building that collapsed consisted of the outer portions of floor slabs and perimeter walls throughout the upper third of the building (the 21st through 32nd floors). The outer walls consisted of steel box columns arranged on 1.8 meter centers and connected by narrow spandrel plates. The columns had square cross-sections 120mm on a side, and were fabricated of C-sections 7mm thick welded together. (these had a fraction of the dimensions, and were spaced about twice as far apart as the perimeter columns of the Twin Towers.) The perimeter columns lacked fireproofing throughout the upper third of the Windsor building. 5

The Windsor Building fire engulfed the upper third of the building, but also spread downward as low as the fourth floor. A report by two fire safety experts in Japan highlighted three causes for the very wide extent of the fire:

* The lack of a sprinkler system
* Incorrect installation of spandrels
* The lack of fire prevention regulations in Spain

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The Windsor Building fire demonstrates that a huge building-consuming fire, after burning for many hours, can produce the collapse of parts of the building with weak steel supports lacking fire protection. It also shows that the collapse events that do occur are gradual and partial.
Estimated time frame of collapses
Time Collapse Situation
1:29 East face of the 21st floor collapsed
1:37 South middle section of several floors above the 21st floor gradually collapsed
1:50 Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:02 Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:11 Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:13 Floors above about 25th floor collapsed Large collapse of middle section at about 20th floor
2:17 Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:47 Southwest corner of 1 ~ 2 floors below about 20th floor collapsed
2:51 Southeast corner of about 18th ~ 20th floors collapsed
3:35 South middle section of about 17th ~ 20th floors collapsed Fire broke through the Upper Technical Floor
3:48 Fire flame spurted out below the Upper Technical Floor
4:17 Debris on the Upper Technical Floor fell down
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These partial collapse events, spread over several hours, contrast with the implosion of WTC Building 7 in 7 seconds, and the total explosive collapses of each of the Twin Towers in under 17 seconds.

The usual tropes from conspiracy theorists.

1. Anyone who disagrees with them is "brainwashed" or "has had their mind made up for them" and is "sheeple" and "one of the herd."
2. Anyone who disagrees with them must do so solely because the evil gubbermint told them what to believe.
3. Believing conspiracy theories is patriotic and a true blow for freedom. Because, you know, believing that the US gubbermint killed thousands of its own people on 9/11 is really patriotic.
4. Tired Twoofer memes like "the Madrid skyscraper fire" or "jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" thrown in with statements like "do your research" or "think outside the box."
5. Debunkers are evil bullies.
6. Our freedoms are fast disappearing. Except for the fact that, you know, nobody's freedoms are really disappearing in real life. It's always happening to someone else but the evil gubbermint never actually goes after you.
7. Conspiracy theorists are true gallant heroes who will save the world.

You people are as homogenous as Happy Meals, all minted from the same assembly line. You tire me. *rages at the sky* HOW YOU TIRE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Casey, you do realize that your post has it's own rebuttal embedded in, right? Thanks for doing my work for me though.

Edit: And here it is, from you.

>>"In fact, comparisons between the Windsor tower and the WTC Towers are limited because of the very different structures of these buildings. The Twin Towers and Building 7 were both 100% steel-framed, with large wide-flange columns and box columns, some measuring over four feet wide and fabricated of steel up to five inches thick. Severe fires in other skyscrapers which, like the WTC Towers, were 100% steel-framed, have not produced even partial collapses.

In contrast to the WTC Towers, the Windsor building was framed primarily in steel-reinforced concrete, with columns of concrete reinforced by thin sections of rebar. 4 The concrete pillars in the Windsor building are clearly visible in the photographs showing the intact core exposed by the collapsed facade. The very light construction of the perimeter, described below, makes it clear that the core was the main load-bearing component of the building."

That was just a complete breakdown of the whole thing

On 9/11/01 three skyscrapers were totally destroyed, with structural collapse primarily due to fires given as the explanation. Fires and bombings have never before or since caused steel-frame buildings to collapse.

Muertos no i dont... aww shit i forgot to take my medication ...sorry dude

Sorry, didn't see that post. The Madrid building was concrete reinforced, not just a steel-frame. You do realize that there's a difference, yes?

To be honest, I don't even know the real point you're trying to make... I mean, I get you're trying to 'prove' 9/11 was an inside job, but you're just posting a bunch of BS and not adding anything in your own words except "OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUUURTH!"