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jimboPosted: Jan 17, 2010 - 23:04
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It appears that, a few months ago, Peter Joseph responds to your claim about the Federal Reserve refunding the interest to the Treasury. If possible, I would like your comments on that. If this topic has already been addreseds, then my apologies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwwGRtz2cQg&feature=related

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jan 18, 2010 - 11:51
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I believe I addressed that in my Zeitgeist: Addendum article where I explain in great detail how the money system works. I do mention there is interest created and it does create a steady rate of inflation, but by retracting or adding to the money supply the Federal Reserve can control this. Peter Joseph seems to believe that any inflation, interesting, earnings, etc are some kind of horrible debt upon the public.

The public, as I explain, literally has nothing to do with the debt, and even though PJ basically claims that without debt people never would have to work, it's not true and the FRS debt almost never touches the American consumer except during a bubble or heavy inflation, and bubbles aren't caused by the Federal Reserve, but by consumers and sellers, and heavy inflation most often happens after the end of wars, such as the massive inflation in the 1970s caused by the end of the Viet Nam war, World War II, etc.

Check out my commentary throughout my Zeitgeist: Addendum article and my conclusion at the end of it.

On a side note:

I wouldn't trust PJ's undebunking, the fact that he's _never_ admitted being wrong about anything ever, despite even a lot of members of his own movement pointing out major problems in the first movie alone, show's it's really not relevant when he attempts to undebunk. Another thing in his undebunking he took issue with from my site was the Income Tax where he explains different States changed their version of the amendment thereby making it to where they didn't vote on the original, so the votes didn't count.

He doesn't seem to understand that within our Federal Republican system States have their _own laws_ and _own income tax_. The tax laws he's referring to apply to the states themselves, the states vote on the whole Republic's amendment, they don't change it. Then they can, by option, make their own laws that apply to it -- or like Texas not have a state income tax at all.

He seems to have a little understanding of how the country works, but likely won't ever change it because that would admit being wrong.

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jimboPosted: Feb 05, 2010 - 21:34
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Thanks very much for your reply to my comment. I'm also angry with PJ because I believe that if he (at the very least) openly admits that his 9/11 views were wrong on so many levels, it will actually legitimize the movement and shows that he practices what he preaches.

I'm glad you're by far easier to get a hold of than Peter Joseph, who instead asks you to post on his radio show forum so that he can answer it on blogtalkradio....if he chooses to of course; it's up to his discretion. And if you e-mail/post on the forum demanding clear cut answers, then forget it.

I was once pretty hardcore with the 9/11 theories, but thanks to your site I got a nice injection of logic into my system. Keep up the good work.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Feb 05, 2010 - 21:40
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Thanks a lot. By the way, it seems as though when I was cleaning out spam bots I may have accidentally deleted your username, sorry about that!

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Agent MattPosted: Feb 05, 2010 - 22:34
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I don't even understand why Peter Joseph would know anything about the Federal Reserve. I'm not aware of any education or professional experience dealing with economics in his resume. I am not an economist. I don't know a damn thing about how the Fed works, even after reading Edward explain it.

Its easy to parrot a bunch of conspiracy theories about the Fed, but rarely do people seem to actually know what they're talking about.

I kinda like the way America works, despite the flaws. It can use improvement, but damn. I don't know how people with enough leisure time to hang out on stupid forums like Zeitgeist Movement can bitch about how awful things are.

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SkyPosted: Feb 06, 2010 - 01:20
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Who better to declare the monetary system is a fraud than a short-term equities trader?

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BrentonPosted: Feb 06, 2010 - 01:32
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Good point Sky. ;)

Matt, one need not be formally educated as an economist to understand the workings of the Fractional Reserve Banking System.

Edward, I think that taking into account that Peter J sourced Part I of Zeitgeist: Addendum through the book 'Web of Debt' (which has had rave reviews by world-renowned economists) it's easily understandable that there be this slight mix up with the idea that debt is what enslaves society.

His contention, however, is that all money (regardless of interest and fiat nature and all that nonsense) is in and of itself a form of debt. It doesn't matter what sort of money it is, it is still debt in your hands because you continuously need to gain more to maintain your personal security in terms of access to food, education, transport, etc,.

I'm pretty sure you resonate with the need to remove it yourself, though, so I'll stop here.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Feb 06, 2010 - 01:36
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If that's the case Brenton, then there's no reason to talk about the FRS at all, money is a product of capitalism, and capitalism is really his enemy. It'd be like if I were a Marxist and spent all my time bitching about corporations alone rather than the system which enables them (whoops, people do that!).

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SkyPosted: Feb 06, 2010 - 01:39
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I was being sarcastic, that someone who is anti-capitalism deals with stocks. But in fairness, the evidence for this comes from 2004, so he might have changed his beliefs by the time of Zeitgeist. It's still interesting information, don't you think?

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Agent MattPosted: Feb 06, 2010 - 20:48
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"Matt, one need not be formally educated as an economist to understand the workings of the Fractional Reserve Banking System."

If you're going to pretend to be an economist, you probably do.

I guess if you're a New Age guru, you don't.

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