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JoePosted: May 04, 2011 - 09:21
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Yes; that way the CT are kept to the smallest group possible.
What do you think.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 09:24
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I don't care one way or the other, because it isn't like photographs are going to convince CTs of anything. They will just say that the photos are faked, they're photoshopped, its not really OBL, etc etc.

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JoePosted: May 04, 2011 - 09:29
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I know that Matt but I look at it like this. It might keep some kid from taking the CT seriusly. Current CTres out thier are lost cause; but if these photos can convence one 13 year old that he is dead. Then I say it would be worth it.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 09:34
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If a person has a conspiratorial mindset, it won't matter how many pictures you show them.

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freeflyerPosted: May 04, 2011 - 10:39
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I think not. That would rile up the terrorists further. And an angry terrorist with nothing to lose is a worse prospect than having stupid conspiracy theories floating around

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alexastormPosted: May 04, 2011 - 12:52
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No. A picture isn't going to change the mind of anyone that doesn't believe and it's just going to piss off terrorists.

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JoePosted: May 04, 2011 - 12:56
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I guess you have a point. Maybe in a few more years.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:00
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Pussies, scared of a few terrorists.

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JoePosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:02
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"Pussies, scared of a few terrorists."
No more like I scared of the TNT vest that that the terrorists are wairing.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:10
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Thing is they will attack people whether you show them images of their dead drinking buddy or not, they already have attacked the whole of Europe/UK and once in the US without this picture being shown.

Showing it or not is not going to make it any less of a problem, its ridiculous.

Its like saying to the people whose families died in 911 that, we are not allowed to ever show images of the world trade centre before or after the collapse. It doesnt remove the fact their families are dead and theyre still gonna be upset and fucking furious about it.

Sorry but show the picture or dont show the picture, those terrorists are not backing down and theyre not going away.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:27
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Its reasonable to think that showing the photos would inflame an already inflammatory situation.

I can't think of a single, concrete benefit showing the photos would bring.

Therefore, the only reasonable position to take is to not show the photos. The Obama administration made the right call.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:30
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If only out of a humane reason not to show an image of someone dead I can agree with it, if its to not inflame a situation then I think thats just Bullshit.

Those terrorists right now are already inflamed with you lot all celebrating on tv about him being dead.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:31
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I'm celebrating? I thought I was at work.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:33
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haha. Not you specifically, I meant the images of Americans going nuts and having happy hour about his death. Thats inflamed it already, so picture or no picture they're gonna be pissed.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:36
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According to the US Census Bureau, there's 311,288,954 people living in the United States. Those images of celebrations don't show more than maybe a few hundred.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:41
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how about all the bombing of people in their countries ?

Should we forget about how mad that has made them as well ?

tit for tat, thats how this works.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:43
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What are you talking about?

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:47
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I'm just saying stating that an image of a dead guy will inflame the situation is utter bullshit.

Pure and simple.

Theyre already fucking clambering over one another to get at the USA and the rest of the world who dont agree with their ideology.

The media or politicians can give whatever excuses they want for not showing the pictures, but it wont change the fact the terrorists are already out to get the rest of the world, and his death is just another reason for them to hate us all.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 13:57
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"I'm just saying stating that an image of a dead guy will inflame the situation is utter bullshit."

Can you prove this? Or at least provide a reasonable explanation to support your position?

Because I'm afraid I disagree with you. You seem to be taking the position that since the terrorists are already mad, there's no reason to worry about making the situation worse. I simply can't agree with that.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:00
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Yeah common sense dictates that they've attacked you already, and killing one of their heros is gonna piss them off. They do not need an image of him dead to be pissed at the USA, they're already fucking pissed.

Do I need to provide a survey of terrorists feelings and opinions to validate this ?

I'm not taking that position at all either thats a straw man argument, I already stated the image should not be shown for humane reasons, but if the excuse is given that it will inflame the situation its utter nonsense. You think killing him will be overlooked by not showing the picture ?

seriously ?

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:05
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"but if the excuse is given that it will inflame the situation its utter nonsense."

And again, I ask that you substantiate this position.

You have yet to do so.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:07
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I have and you're not reading the reasons. I dont see how you can miss what I have said. That is unless you are unable to look at it from their position.

Their hero has been assassinated by your country, they are going to be pissed picture or no picture.
I think its pretty easy to understand that Matt, it doesnt really take any further explanation.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:09
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I'm asking you to substantiate how releasing the photos would not make any difference to the levels of their anger.

You still haven't done that. That's why I missed it.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:10
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I'm saying the excuse is bullshit, not that it would not make them angry.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:10
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Then the "excuse" (I call it a reason) isn't bullshit.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:12
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But you think by showing a picture it will suddenly make it worse? If so prove it yourself.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:13
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That's not an extraordinary claim, therefore I see no reason to.

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Omni-SciencePosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:13
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COPOUT

EDIT: I can see how the Obama Admin. is playing it safe, I wouldn't release the photos either though.

We've already pissed off enough terrorists as it is.

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anticultistPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:14
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Of course you dont, because youre being asked to do so. Yet you probably cant back it up with evidence, so its just as opinionated a claim as mine.

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Agent MattPosted: May 04, 2011 - 14:15
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So your stance is that its unreasonable to think that people who become enraged enough to riot and make death threats over cartoons would not become enraged enough to riot and make death threats over photographs of OBL's corpse?

You're right. This is an opinion, its simply more reasonable than yours. Sorry.

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