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Danny | Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 22:33 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0 This is why I stopped eating meat. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 23:37 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | I've heard some pretty good things, will probably get around to seeing it eventually... I just really despise watching movies in parts, like on youtube. Edit: Yeah, I know you just posted the trailer and not actual parts of the movie. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 02:17 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Oh, I forgot, that's the *only* way to process meat. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 03:17 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Haha, yeah. People seem to think that EVERY food company is like a Monsanto. | |||||
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sorry | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 08:15 |
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Level: 12 CS Original | To be fair, Edward, if the majority of meat operations in the USA (I believe Danny's in the USA) function like Monsanto, then the options for meat are few. Of course, I haven't watched Food Inc., nor do I know how the meat industry works. I'm not really sure of how I could find that out through an unbiased medium, either. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 09:28 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Watched Food Inc months ago. It spoke to every liberal bone in my body about the evils of corporations. I loved it. It told me everything I wanted to hear. But then my inner skeptical conservative began to rise once I checked out Food Inc's fanbase. Organic dogma and anti-business rhetoric out the wazoo. Fuck Food Inc. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 14:18 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Does the fan base change the content of the movie though? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 14:51 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Yes, because this documentary was not created in an altruistic vacuum. There are demographics to consider, marketing strategies used, etc. Above all, there is a buck to be made and fame to be born. But did the fanbase totally change my opinion of it? No, not exactly. I decided to read Monsanto's response to the film and I found it fairly reasonable. Did I trust it entirely? No, of course not. Monsanto has it's own agenda just like the people behind Food Inc. I do think that Food Inc takes a Michael Moore approach in that it relies a bit too much on the agenda on the creators and tends to put that before honest documentary film making. Now, if you just want to look at parts of it, especially the meat part, and say "oh this is gross, I am not eating that" I don't really have a problem with. I know how meat is raised and harvested without Food Inc. There were plenty of documentary films showing that stuff long before Food Inc. I have to wonder why Food Inc is getting the attention it is if it were not for the anti-Monsanto image which is currently fashionable. When people turn it into this movement to crucify Monsanto I start to back away from it. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 15:08 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Yeah, I see what you're getting at. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 15:37 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | I have not seen this film. I believe there are a lot of things wrong with our food distribution system in the US as it's evolved, and certainly there's a lot of room for improvement. I'm not ready to stop eating meat, though. We humans are at the top of the food chain for a reason, damn it! I love animals. They're delicious! | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 15:55 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | Matt,why are you a liberal? | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 16:34 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Danny, What do you think "liberal" and "conservative" mean? And why do you consider yourself a conservative? | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 16:58 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | Liberal- Meaning more progressive and little bit more open to those with secular ideas may have little or no backing with a reilgous influence. More for government spending with some and others not (Hence Libertarianism). Involved with many civil and social rights of others such as gays,illegal immigrants,affirmative action. Conservative- Traditonalist. some seem to be into less government involvment(I.e. welfare,), and use alot of their backing with their faith. A little bit more noticeable with their craziness, but are judge more harshly then those on the left end of the political spectrum. I consider myself a Young Traditonalist Constiution Enthusiast. @Matt You're joke about Liberitarians was pretty humorus. I've got a better one. "Liberitarians are just cheap liberals." Edit: Edward, why are you an Atheist? | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:17 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Well, initially I was an atheist because I was simply raised that way, but when I was a teenager I did look into all types of religions, and in the end I just decided it wasn't for me. I'm not broken inside or anything, or missing anything, like some religious people would believe. I just don't believe in god, the afterlife, spirits, or anything like that. Liberal and Conservative actually have different meanings everywhere else in the world, than in the United States. Liberal outside the US is actually what would be considered conservative in the US, as for conservative, that originally meant people who wanted Monarchy instead of Republicanism, or whatever else, but it later came to mean people who had conservative beliefs regarding those which came out of the enlightenment. Ironically, conservatives in the US often consider the enlightenment a bad thing, even though without it, the American Revolution never would have happened. In the real sense of the word, I do consider myself a conservative, but in the American redefining, I don't consider myself a conservative. Interestingly, when it comes to conservatism in America, "less government involvement" is definitely a popular motto, and it's a true belief for many "conservatives" unless it involves homosexuality, then it's "as much government intervention as possible." | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:21 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | "when it comes to conservatism in America, "less government involvement" is definitely a popular motto, and it's a true belief for many "conservatives" unless it involves homosexuality, then it's "as much government intervention as possible." " Well shouldn't we? I mean how does america benefit from two joes marrying each other? | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:22 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | How does America lose by two joes marrying each other? | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:24 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | Our population. Granted not everyone is gay, but if they were our popultation would indeed shrink by alot, but of course that would take decades. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:28 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | I seriously doubt it. How would gays being able to marry change the fact that straight people still have children? The gay people wouldn't have had kids regardless, because they're gay. Population dropping in the west has nothing to do with gays, and more to do with women becoming more educated. Typically the more ignorant women are, the higher birth rates are. | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:34 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | That's another problem this country has: Dumb women and men who can't keep it in there pants. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:35 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | You just complained about population reduction, wouldn't you want women to be dumber and men not to keep it in their pants so the population will increase? | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:38 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | Yes and no. I say no because we need RESPONSIBLE people to raise proper, and respectful children. I say yes because it stregnths the morale of our country. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:40 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | I see what you mean. I agree there are a lot of ignorant people having kids, but teaching safe sex is a great way to stop them from doing it to a certain extent. | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:43 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | But they won't listen, that's why they'll keep having sexand reporducing so he have a bunch of idiot welfare cases running around. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:44 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | Did I just hear "risk of underpopulation" used as an argument against gay marriage? What is this, 1700? Let me put on my Pilgrim hat and little lace doily collar. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:46 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Welfare is far more rare than you think, Danny. | |||||
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Danny | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:49 |
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Level: 1 CS Original | "Welfare is far more rare than you think, Danny. " I'd like a source Edward. =). But no, we are seeing low IQ people infect our gene pool with their stupidity and reproducing bringing more idiots into this world then there needs to be. We need to really install the belief of natural selection into the future generations. It's getting pretty sad that we are losing eduation wise to thrid world countries. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 17:54 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | I'd like to see any source you have that we spend nearly as much as other countries (like 35% in Sweden) on welfare. I don't have a source on hand, but in the late 1990s about 1% of all taxes were spent on welfare programs. I also don't think you know exactly what welfare is. >> But no, we are seeing low IQ people infect our gene pool with their stupidity and reproducing bringing more idiots into this world then there needs to be You're kind of all over the place. People who talk about things like this tend to promote population control. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 18:13 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "Matt,why are you a liberal?" Because I give a shit about people, even when I don't want to. | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 20:05 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Going to steal your little double arrow here, sorry Edward. :P >>"Liberal- Meaning more progressive and little bit more open to those with secular ideas may have little or no backing with a reilgous influence. More for government spending with some and others not (Hence Libertarianism). Involved with many civil and social rights of others such as gays,illegal immigrants,affirmative action." Oh, the horror! >>"Conservative- Traditonalist. some seem to be into less government involvment(I.e. welfare,), and use alot of their backing with their faith. A little bit more noticeable with their craziness, but are judge more harshly then those on the left end of the political spectrum." A lot of conspiracy theorists try to identify themselves with the founding fathers, not saying you're one of them... but it's always a contradiction considering they were such strong proponents of separation of church and state. >>"Our population. Granted not everyone is gay, but if they were our popultation would indeed shrink by alot, but of course that would take decades. " "That's another problem this country has: Dumb women and men who can't keep it in there pants. " "Yes and no. I say no because we need RESPONSIBLE people to raise proper, and respectful children. I say yes because it stregnths the morale of our country. " Wait, so what's the problem. People who can't reproduce or people who can reproduce? Responsibility isn't just involved in raising children, but in how many children people have. I can't say I see too much responsibility in a family that chooses to have 9 kids just because they believe they have to spread their seed as much as they can. >>"But no, we are seeing low IQ people infect our gene pool with their stupidity and reproducing bringing more idiots into this world then there needs to be. We need to really install the belief of natural selection into the future generations." So what are you advocating? It sounds a lot like population control. So in your future dream vision of America, where all the "tyrants" are dead and prosperity and freedom rains down on all... there will be people telling other people that they can not reproduce, there will be groups advocating natural selection and only allowing the fittest specimens to breed? Sounds pretty tyrannical to me. And how would you qualify people who were "unfit" to breed? Would it be immigrants? Liberals? Or maybe people who lacked critical thinking skills, as well as the inability to use a spellchecker? Sorry if I'm coming off harsh, but you are sounding like a MAJOR hypocrite and a little bigoted. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 25, 2010 - 20:10 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | >> Going to steal your little double arrow here, sorry Edward. :P It's how we used to quote on Usenet (and also how you properly quote in email). Sincerely, | |||||
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