Skeptic Project

If it doesn't want to be seen as "The Movement based on the Zeitgeist Films," then the ZM will need to change its name, it seems to me.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25&Itemid=62

Thats their toolkit page.

Yup I agree their whole leadership needs to be dissolved before they can move on positively.

I don't see how it makes a difference that the movie was removed from some web page. He even says that the movies will be used for the new Zeitgeist Media Project (whatever that is). It seems like the situation is that the movies are convenient propaganda being used to bring in new members, but at the same time they don't want to have to talk about the controversial stuff when people like the NBC reporters (hahaha!) bring it up.

The idiot can't even run his own hippie e-community....what a tool.

The Zeitgeist Movement is a joke. Just like the "leader".

The Zeitgeist films have many communist/socialist undertones to them. I've read the transcripts and couldn't get by the first part. I will not stand by and allow this cretin to make this garbage discredit those of us god loving-peaceful christians (that aren't hiding in the woods).

Edward, why exactly are you a fan of the whole "Venus Project"? When you read through it, it's best suited for the whole sci-fi crowd. It'll never even see the blueprints, people are lazy, ignorant and dangerous. you're not, but majority of those involved with the ZGM/TVP are highly misguided fools.

"The Zeitgeist Movement is a joke. Just like the "leader"."

Agreed on both counts. Merola couldn't be more of a clown if he had orange hair and a big red nose.

I will not stand by and allow this cretin to make this garbage and stand up for all us god loving-peaceful christians (that aren't hiding in the woods).

Good for you, but a good approach to take is to oppose Zeitgeist's view of Christianity because Merola fundamentally mischaracterizes its history, misquotes and misinterprets sources, and generally makes a total mockery of ancient and religious history. I'm not a Christian, but I'm offended by Merola's claims about Jesus--not from a standpoint of faith but from one of historical fact.

"The Zeitgeist films have many communist/socialist undertones to them."

I agree but I think it's largely unintentional. I don't think a lot of Zeitgeisters are overt Marxists though I could see the appeal of the movement if you are a Marxist to begin with. Whenever you talk about distributing resources equally you're treading on ground that Marx covered, but instead of having "the working class" distribute everything the Zeitgeisters want it to be a computer. Yeah, right. That'll work.

The only exposure to Chavez that Merola has likely had goes about as far as John Pilger movies and no further.

Besides, Fresco will be dead long before there's any danger that he could matter.

Haha, Chavez wouldn't give Merola five minutes. That's absurd. Who does Merola think he is?

The dude really over-estimates his relevancy. That forum has blown his ego sky high. He's just an art school drop out who got lucky with an Internet video.

"Edit: Reminds me of this guy I know who kept telling me how Zeitgeist was just a bunch of "convoluted garbage", but at the same time kept talking about how the Obama Deception had a lot of good points in it."

OD's lies are great if he wants to believe them.

Peter Joseph reneges and reverses an otherwise good decision. One step forward, one step back...

@ Muertos
"but instead of having "the working class" distribute everything the Zeitgeisters want it to be a computer. Yeah, right. That'll work. "

If one is able to achieve resource abundance, then it shouldn't be that hard to implement. The technology is definitely there, but TVP's steps on getting there seem extremely bad. (Major motion picture? Really? :-P)

@ Jimbo:

If one is able to achieve resource abundance, then it shouldn't be that hard to implement. The technology is definitely there, but TVP's steps on getting there seem extremely bad.

Scenario: 2 people need heart transplants. One is a young woman with 4 kids. The other is a 60 year old unmarried man. There's only one donor heart available so one of them will definitely die. Do you really want a machine making that decision?

@ Matt (quoted by Matt):

"The seriousness of TZM.com should be maintained by straight forward documents, while TZ Media Project will allow for "social therapy" in the way of gestural and aesthetics."

What the hell does THAT mean? "Social therapy"? I guess this means it's OK for them to get followers into the movement by lying about conspiracy theories? And if we don't believe in conspiracy theories we need "social therapy" in the form of Merola's ridiculous movies?

Jesus. What a scumbag this guy is.

It's pretty obvious that PJ has no idea what he's doing.

Edit: To clarify, all this talk about NBC, 300 page debunker rebuttal and what not just seems like he's desperately trying to hold people's interests. Even those dedicated to TVP want to find another avenue that actually does more than TZM it seems. So he's just saying whatever he can to keep people there.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=229&id=251789#251789

Peter has now put Addendum BACK in the tooklkit.

Peter writes:

You guys win. I put it back. Thanks for the emails. My act was hasty.
However, I do recommend that people pair up with a more concentrated lecture DVD or the orientation DVD when handing these out. I am also updating the Toolkit...
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25&Itemid=62 /> thanks
Peter