Skeptic Project

Hello CS folks,

I have been following this forum for a little bit now and enjoy the debunking it's fun to read. I myself am not a part of TZM/TVP for my own reasons which some what resonate in here as well. What I am curious to know is the majority of people here against the so called RBE system or is it just TZM/TVP for understandable reasons. While I don't consider myself a CT kind of person I do believe things aren't quite as they seem and their are things going on which we just don't know about and can't possibly know one way or the other. What I'm getting at is that I do believe an alternative system is coming, it is part of societal evoloution and it will be along the lines of "RBE" and by that I mean more specifically where the resources will have to be put to better use on a one world system and consumerism will be phased out and the inequality that it breeds. But I do agree that many of the things that TVP advocates will take generations before it happens if it happens. What are some thoughts on this?

Yes but I do not mean Fresco's RBE for it is not actually his, and his version is specifically his speculation. I was more so talking about a general guide line of the RBE format.

Maybe this is just my opinion but the simple answer for myself is nobody actually knows the exact specifics of an "RBE". I agree with your statement about science and my issue with Fresco's main stream RBE is that it attempts to answer things that cannot be proven and cannot even be decided upon until the transition shapes up a little more. At this stage the main ideal/concept cannot and will not be shaped until the time comes. So for nitpicking at the concept which can have a long list of questions and skeptism which is understandable cannot be concluded nor verified until a later date. Its all just one big (actual research project) which will need to be tested over time.

This post was not about TZM/TVP and their was no argument. Yes an "RBE" type structure is possible. You can probably never reach a true RBE (Fresco's vision) it's the process that counts and if we did reach one some new system will appear to work towards it's the process of time and knowledge.

This is the future though. Things are different now. Its not a Utopia it's an upgrade on a decaying infastructure.

Because something is better doesn't make it Utopia. The Venus vision is what it is. "RBE" is the next step to a more advanced system.

It will be brought about by Groups of people not just one, I don't disagree with anything you said otherwise. It's about "RBE" not TZM/TVP. Call "RBE" yellow donkey transition for all I care it's about moving forward.

I made this post many months ago but i'll paste it here to assess, its aimed at TVP/TZM but is perhaps worth considering in all RBE situations.

The Venus Project claims that we need to conduct a survey of all the worlds resources, now while the technology to scan into the depths of the earth exists, this will prove to be a hugely difficult, immense and highly coordinated task.

The idea that we can know what resources we have available at any one time and where they are located would be useful, but there is a side to this which I feel the project has not considered. Consider the following points:

First: they do not have the availability of researchers and field tools to carry out the survey themselves, therefore the venus project is reliant on any data made available to the public, this means they are reliant on the potentially out of date or flawed data. The only realistic survey this group can conduct is searching through public domain resource maps and data.

Second: the surveys that are currently being conducted are by multi national conglomerates with special interests in the field of resource capitalisation, this data uncovered is unlikely to be made available to the general public without a fee or a delay. The possibility that these companies will freely hand over this lucrative and much sought after information to the venus project is minimal to none.

Third: should the venus project manage to glean any information on resources then this information will be stored in their data banks, made public and then will simply be available for other multi national companies to capitalise on it should they wish, and can the venus project stop them ?

Fourth: should they pull the survey off, what resources are they looking for, and do they have contingencies for what they may need as resources in the future? could it be they have no idea what the future holds therefore the database will only be a limited one of certain resources, not everything necessary.

Fifth: what if the resources are held by national companies or countries who wish to maintain ownership regardless, or wish to keep their resources hidden and protected, these may be essential resources, this basically pulls the entire resource based economy down in one action, this is also a potential for economic hi-jacking or resource based terrorism.

Sixth: if you are attempting to spread equal wealth and allow everyone to reach the same equity level, is there a possibility that using all the earths resources may put strain on and thus have an adverse effect upon the earths ecological system?

You are really proud of coining that term aren't you Diane? :P