Skeptic Project

I'm sure they already have, but it's too depressing to make a round of the CT sites to see what they're saying about it.

I'm sure now the President of Poland was a brave warrior who was about to expose the NWO or some such rubbish.

It's very sad, the Polish delegation was on its way to a memorial at Katyn Forest. That terrible tragedy has claimed new victims 70 years later.

Any event, ever is a conspiracy, period.

@ Muertos:

It's very sad, the Polish delegation was on its way to a memorial at Katyn Forest.

The Katyn massacre shows what a real totalitarian state does when it wants to control a country, contrasted to this CT nonsense about "control grids," fluoride, vaccines, aspartame, fiat money and other bugaboos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=246784

Didn't take long for a few quirky members to start speculating here either.

CTs from Poland already seized on it. Russian FSB is usually accused (Kaczyński and Putin "didn't like" each other, and there are conflicts regarding Katyn massacre), and also NWO as whole (some people are saying that USA and Russia are getting closer, and this is sort of a proof of NWO conspiracy). Also, Civic Platform (Platforma Obywatelska, PO), current ruling party in Poland, is also sometimes accused - Lech Kaczyński was (before he became a president) a member of Peace and Justice(Prawo i Sprawiedliwość, PiS) - main political opponents of PO - and some prominent members of PiS also died in the crash (along with some members of PO, and also from the Left - other PO's opponents, with leftist presidential candidate J. Szmajdziński). The fact that B. Komorowski, PO member, and speaker of the parliament, became the Acting President, according to polish Constitution, even fuels it...

And there's a comment that I've read on prawda2.info, most popular polish CT's forum. One of most ridicoulus and most disgusting comments regarding this plane crash that I have seen:

"I would be happy to send half of the victims to the other world by myself. Yesterday died thieves, bandits, crooks and traitors. Perhaps also some innocent people, too.(...) A low price for death of someone, who ratified a treaty that officialy ended sovereignity of Poland.[This poor guy refers to the Treaty of Lisbon]

I don't know who would be so fucking stupid to eliminate so many of his agents. Hand of fate dealt a blow to New World Order agents. That's good.

It's time to celebrate. Non-respecting of the national mourning isn't punishable yet."

And sorry for my rather broken English.

And to make doubly sure that Kaczynski doesn't re-enter politics, they also poisoned him with dioxin.

@ Muertos: Yes, I'm from Poland.
Interestingly, It look that lots of people from prawda2.info forum now dismiss conspiracy and say that it was an accident.
The "Russian theory" is fueled also by the fact, that this plane (russian Tupolev) had undergone an overhaul in Russia in December 2009. Anyway, it looks that Russians are cooperating and there are no problems with flight recorders and polish investigation - some CT's predicted that Russians will be making it difficult.

As for "PO theory" - I forgot to say, that Komorowski is also Civic Platform's presidential candidate. The election was to be hold in October, and Kaczyński and Komorowski were considered two strongest candidates, with the late Szmajdziński being the third. As you can see, nothing but fuel for CT's. Some CT's believe that PO is a part of NWO, because, among other things, recently there were some controversies regarding internet censorship.

In the crash also died Sławomir Skrzypek, president of National Bank of Poland (polish central bank). I'll just link the article by Jane Burgermeister (remember her article about vaccines?):
http://tinyurl.com/y427lso</p>

Some people believe that evil Joos are behind it (Jewish conspiracy theory is still very popular in Poland):
http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/europe/209068-was-polish-president-murdered-in-staged-plane-crash</p>

I've found those links on grypa666.wordpress.com. It's a blog of Piotr Bein, a washed-up scientist living in Canada. He's sort of Alex Jones wannabe and is obviously full of it (he also has a blog in English: http://piotrbein.wordpress.com/ , but the most outrageous claims are on grypa666, which is entirely in Polish). He didn't say anything by himself, except condolences, but he adds "the best", as he says, comments to the article. Here is one of the weirdest (not that sick as the one from previous post, but rather laughable) of them, translated by me:

"(...}according to the so-called "Occam's razor", we have to rule out the most impropable theories. And so is the theory of "accident". Aviation disasters occur statistically far less likely than, say, car crashes. Somebody needed to eliminate the elites and we should have who. There are suspicions already: Russians, globalists, politcial opponents in Poland.
Don't get provoked by those, who say that these are "conspiracy theories", because we have examples, like WTC or swine flu vaccinations, we are dealing with conspiracies, that humanity has never seen.
Once again I'll mention HAARP, a weapon that can destroy any plane, anywhere in Earth, at any time, by concentrating the energy reflected from the ionosphere. It was all described in detail. Don't you think, that forces of evil wouldn't use it?
Finally, I will quote Sir Bernard Russel, who was a progenitor of globalism:Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so.(...) Sadly, the president's people are like them, if they let all the important people fly in this plane. Probably they didn't even know about HAARP."

"Anyway, it looks that Russians are cooperating and there are no problems with flight recorders and polish investigation - some CT's predicted that Russians will be making it difficult."

I'll put on my CT hat and say Russia would, on the contrary, benefit by being as helpful as possible. Why? Because it's making them look innocent and making CTers look like fools. ;)

The summer after high school ended, three people I know toilet-papered and more or less vandalized a class mate's house.

One of the perpetrators offered to clean up the next day so as to look innocent. He was never considered, while the other two became instant suspects (for reasons I'd rather not go into. ;) )

Of course, this endeavor hardly relates to a country killing another country's president. lol

@ Muertos: and notice, how this guy uses the argument, that car crashes happen more often than aviation disasters, as a proof for conspiracy. It's even more stupid than his misunderstanding of Occam's Razor.

@ Edward and aaromatch: you couldn't be more right, as some polish CT's already made claims like that.

Those guys are scary.
A little gem from prawda2.info:
"The assasination attemp was probably carried out by the West. Look at the propaganda spread by western newspapers:
[He quotes a comment under CNN article. Just follow this link: http://prawda2.info/viewtopic.php?p=143143#143143] /> It's a comment made by an agent, I think, under a CNN article.
Russians are unofficially blamed, because it has to show to the West that they are "evil". It is to divert attention from EU and US, because they're are the ones, who gained the most from this all.
Putin knows this all, so they [Russians] immediately began to hide everything, to not let anyone see the truth, because if any evidence, that it was an attack, show in the media, Russia is automatically to blame."

Lots of CT's claim, that the plane was destroyed, because it broke into pieces, as shows this footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFL9L7-6yCU&feature=player_embedded /> Some witnesses say that they've heard "something like a bomb", or "two flashes of fire". And like with 9/11, this is enough for CT's to say that there was a conspiracy.

Conspiracy theories, "compiled": http://www.worldreports.org/news/283_polands_suspicious_second_katyn_massacre_tragedy</p>

And even Jeff Rense has something to say: http://rense.com/general90/pol.htm</p>

As for me: I still have to see anything that shows Presidential Plane Crash was a jobbyjob(whether inside or outside) and was not caused by poor weather condintions and terrible human error.

@ Edward: lol, did you really want to say "I'm happy someone from commented Poland"?
You're welcome ;)

It seems that those polish CT's now went into "conspiratiff masturbatiff" mode (just babbling about all those theories and arguing which one is more accurate). Browsing prawda2.info, Bein's blog and other CT sites is somewhat depressing, so I think I'll pass on that, for a while at least.

@Olek_L

That's what i was hoping to say, not sure how close I am. Plus I don't have the ability to add the E z ogonkiem and so forth, but at least you understood it.