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sorryPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 09:36
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Is this guy full of it?

http://wp.me/pCW6e-5J</p>

"It is of the utmost importance to the powers-that-be that the government run education. It is the most pernicious of the planks of the Communist Manifesto (the 10th plank).
The Federal Reserve bankrupted the government back in the 1930's as is evidenced by the correlation between the United States Code (U.S.C.) and the Code of Federal Regulations (C.F.R.): title 11 U.S.C., "Bankruptcy", is implemented by title 11 C.F.R., "Federal Elections". The Federal Election Commission is charged with writing the bankruptcy laws. You're voting for a bankruptcy "administration" at election time.
Bankrupting the government wasn't enough to make all Americans pay the interest on the counterfeit money loans to the government due to the inherent sovereignty of the American people. So the Fed created Social Security to destroy American sovereignty.
Which of the founding fathers would have gone running to the government to get some kind of "benefit"? None of them.
By applying for a S.S.#, an American became a federal employee. There are no Constitutional guarantees for the government's own employees. That employee is known at a "taxpayer". A "taxpayer" is defined in the code at 26 C.F.R. 2.1-1(a)(5) as a member of the Merchant Marine, a federal employee.
By being a federal employee the government can do as it pleases. Income tax is the second plank of the Communist Manifesto - it's exactly what the serfs were fighting against in England long before the American colonies. Inheritance tax is the third plank of the Communist Manifesto.
I have exposed the entire Social Security scam on my Blog at LLSTULER.wordpress.com - I have an overview at http://wp.me/pCW6e-5J that is a good starting point."

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 09:42
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"Which of the founding fathers would have gone running to the government to get some kind of "benefit"? None of them."

Probably most of them, considering they created a government to provide benefits to the populous since the crown obviously was not.

But hey, whatever. I can't stand when people abuse history.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 09:47
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I know where you're going to go with this Plautus, so I'll cut you off at the pass.

By benefit, I mean a representative government. I consider a representative government to be a benefit to the populous.

Now, if you want to interpret "benefit" as things like Social Security or Medicare, then I cannot provide a definite answer on what the founders would have wanted since they weren't a unified body of men with identical principles and beliefs in the first place.

But I do think that being Enlightenment thinkers, they would be able to understand that applying agrarian fundamentals to an urban society probably isn't going to work very well because we would all starve and flop over dead from things like the flu.

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sorryPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 09:47
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One area I'm very susceptible in is US History, especially the era of the Founding Fathers. The quote you chose, Matt, more or less went in one ear and out the other. I ought to find some book that will teach me about what the Founding Fathers really wanted for the country. I have the preamble memorized, but I still get confused. On one hand, I can see the Founding Fathers wanted freedom from government subsidies and programs. On the other, they promoted the general welfare for a reason.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 09:48
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"On one hand, I can see the Founding Fathers wanted freedom from government subsidies and programs."

The founders existed in an agrarian society. The concept of an urban society did not exist to them.

For example, Jefferson honestly believed that the future of this country would be neat little squares of farmland from coast to coast.

Obviously, that isn't what happened.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 10:05
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planks of the Communist Manifesto

Planks of a manifesto? um...wtf

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 10:07
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I know where you're going to go with this Plautus, so I'll cut you off at the pass.

???

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 08, 2010 - 10:10
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You're either a nutball or a troll. I honestly don't care which because your arguments still suck regardless.

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