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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:10

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Billl, the idea that Plautus doing real physical harm to anyone is not the reason he shouldn't be banned anywhere. Even if he wouldnt he still has violent fantasies, delusions about his own expertise and experience and believes in so many crazy things.

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The Burger King

Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:13

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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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@Anticultist I don't know why should they? Maybe someone else can answer this?

@Ed I guess, then why should he be banned? As Grits replied to a topic that was pretty much calling him out. Just because a individual believes in things you may not agree is a reason enough for bann? For me it doesn't deserve a bann but I will agree with consensus which the majority people say thumbs down. You make think their violent fantasies and delusion but Grits may believe in them, what makes you a good judge on someone else thoughts, their nothing but your opinions.

I will say from talking to Grits a lot of his ideas well just yesterday he says their is not such thing as gravity which to me is pretty far out but that's just my opinion. To him it makes sense so whatever it's not a big deal. Their are a lot of things people believe like for example for me religion that I just do not understand some things about.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:22

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Bill please see my last post page 8 regarding how I would react to personal details posted online by zeitgeist nutjobs.

The plain fact is I dont react to it, I just find it stupid and irrelevant.

I have to deal with the zeitgeisters every single day out of choice, I decided to interact with the crazies so its my own fault for what they do to me. But I will not quit or get violent because of this.

I find them to be a pathetic institute that deserves exposing.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:28

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>>>then why should he be banned?

Because he refuses to discuss anything properly and acts like an asshole. He is making this place a very annoying place to visit.

I dont care if someone is a raving conspiracy theorist, I want to see people come here are defend their views. But the way he does it is not like that at all.

You don't think acting like he did on that recording is ban worthy either?

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:29

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@anticultist I agree, and I read your blogs all the time :) very intelligent well thought out and i am thankful someone makes these blogs to expose institutions such as zeitgeist for what they are as well as keeps them on their toes.

Can you link me to some of the post some crazy zeitgeist people have about you?

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:29

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I would rather not :)

The less attention they get the happier I am hahaha.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:33

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ah ok well that's how Grits would feel as well. So i take it you don't like the information publicly out their about yourself.

I believe Peter Merola had the same issue but he's a leader of a movement it's a individuals rights in my eyes to know the leader of the movements last name at least as well as know his background, where he comes from etc....

@Ed nope :) I found it hilarious needs to be put up on youtube LOL sorry

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:37

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Peter is fair game as am I, I decided to play this anti game so its all part of the territory.

Its not so much I dont like it, I just would rather it wasn't done, but there is not much you can do about it when people think their cult is perfection and are unwilling to critically asses their attachment to it.

And your friend he is fair game too, he interacted through choice, he harrassed them through choice so he has noone else to blame but himself.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:39

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Im afraid Bill if you think Plautus doesn't need to be banned for talking like that to people then you must not be in favour of any bans ever.

However you are right that it needs to be put up on youtube for everyone to laugh at :)

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:46

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@Anticult sure you are right but that wasn't about things being "fair game" the intent of this topic was to obviously get Grits riled up was it not? Also Grits isn't a leader of any movement and he still claims to be apart of the Zeitgeist movement he's definitely not in a position of power to do anything so what makes him so special? What makes him a threat? Your argument reminds me of a comedian called George Carlin, as he said "fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity". Although it's "fair game" as you say anticultist it doesn't mean it's right (or does it?) and it's obvious what the intent of this topic is for to call out a individual.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:50

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I cant speak on Muertos original intentions, but in my opinion yeah I would say it was to point out how silly he was making himself look here, and to annoy him.

But Muertos will have to answer that one.

Bill anyone who takes a vocal stance and makes their position known publicly is fair game, that means everyone posting here too.

Edward who runs this site is under the same levels of scrutiny too.
Muertos runs a blog thats anti zeitgeist again they're scrutinised.

Its not important whether you are big or small, right or wrong, you are still going to be scrutinised for your beliefs and what you say publicly period.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:57

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And regarding them revealing his details, he simply took it too far and paid the consequences.

If he harassed me on my blog I might even do the same to tell you the truth. But I would much rather not have to go through those types of experiences. Which is why I moderate posts.

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The Burger King

Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 11:57

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@anticultist

"Bill anyone who takes a vocal stance and makes their position known publicly is fair game, that means everyone posting here too."

that's your opinion and what you believe in you cannot speak for everybody just for yourself. After all we're only human :)

I think the intent is obvious by calling Grits out by name in topic header in my opinion but Muertos can answer it without a doubt and a prefer straight from the horses mouth O_o

Well Anticultist, "he took it to far" is of your opinion. I think for the intent of the topic something of this may happen among various other things that could happen... I know when Peter Merola's last name got out he retaliated by putting up a website called "whoispeter.com or something of that nature). In my opinion I don't think Grits took it to far but yeah, again i'm going with consensus on the banning of Grits but in disagreement.

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 12:01

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I dont claim to speak on everyones behalf, I am observing human behaviour.

Rumours and talking about people is something we humans do.
We are natural piss takers and chinese whisperers.

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The Burger King

Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 12:02

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exactly LOL

I may be trying to fight to not be human! >_>

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Posted: Apr 10, 2010 - 12:09

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@AntiCultist

What do you mean by this statement when you were referring to the zeitgeist movement as a whole

"Its not so much I dont like it, I just would rather it wasn't done,"

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 08:06

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@Bill and @Anti-cultist

Codie Vickers made no bones about his mind control/psychological warfare. First let me address Bill.

I find it highly dubious that you as a supposedly intelligent human being would defend and enable someone like Codie Vickers under the banner of protecting freedom and free speech. This is an important comment he made in this very thread.

"You have your opinion about this, clearly. I know how to change minds, the technique is called repeated, rhythmic insult, and it's virtually infallible. The marines use it to turn librarians into paid killers."

This is him actively talking about how he engages in this behavioral modification tactic. It's actually the essence of trolling in the most basic words. Endless personal attack is a mind control tactic. People use it to try and silence all dissent. And without rules there is nothing to stop them.

This is exactly what Codie was trying to explain in that recording with Thunder. "This is how you gotta treat 'em". In other words he is not doing this to try and express himself or any of that other poetic nonsense. He is doing it specifically to assert control over another person. This is where all your claims to be a defender of freedom fall flat on their face and break their nose. When you enable this behavior you are just allowing idiots like this to take the control that you are so terrified of mods taking.

While I think it's great anticultist that you want to expose Codie Vickers I would point out that it's kind of hypocritical of you and Matt for example to even say a word about this when after reading through a few of the threads here you engage in the exact same thing whether you realize it or not.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 08:08

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@Bill

What do you mean by this statement when you were referring to the zeitgeist movement as a whole

"Its not so much I dont like it, I just would rather it wasn't done,"

I was referring to what we were discussing, which was the release of personal information online, that was the context we were talking about at the time.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 08:18

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@Diane

While I think it's great anticultist that you want to expose Codie Vickers I would point out that it's kind of hypocritical of you and Matt for example to even say a word about this when after reading through a few of the threads here you engage in the exact same thing whether you realize it or not.

There is nothing hypocritical about it at all, its all rather simple:

Talk to me like a piece of shit I will reply to you like a piece of shit.

Talk to me like a normal human being I will reply to you like a normal human being.

Plautus is a dangerous character, I saw fit not to provoke him due to his instability and threatening conduct. VTV on the other hand deserves all he gets, his conduct is superficial and antagonistic.

If after a while I get bored of being a piece of shit I will revert back to my typical behaviour and human demeanour which is calm and analytical.

Feel free to read into it what you will, but I think you will find what you get from me when its me being rude is usually a reaction provoked by an external stimulus, not me trashing a forum and trolling it with threats as an original poster.

Likewise if you want to try and bundle me and matt into the same category as Plautus then you are making a fallacy up. just because I tell someone to fuck off does not mean I am like Plautus, this is a completely fictional assumption you are making.
I ask you to prove Matt and I have made accounts online under different names to attack users and troll forums. If you can not do this then drop your accusation.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 10:12

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My original intention in making this topic was to point out that Plautus's views are extreme and bizarre even by the standards of most CTs who come here. He was also being quite circumspect in stating them--tap-dancing around the holocaust denial stuff and trying to be coy about the Apollo moon hoax even when I directly questioned him repeatedly--so I wanted to get them out in the open. If I was wrong he could have refuted my statements in no uncertain terms, but he did not do so.

I wasn't aware that exposing someone's expressed beliefs--which are clearly documented not only here but on the numerous other forums and wikis that Plautus has vandalized over the years--was "exposing personal details."

@ Anticultist: just a correction, my blog (http://muertos.blog.com/) is not a specifically anti-Zeitgeist blog. As you know I did post one blog entry that was critical of the ZM and got push-back from Zeitgeisters as I expected. But as you'll see the majority of my blog entries involve heavy metal (especially the Wacken Open Air festival) and my online game Chase Me. I've got one ZM blog and three about global warming denial.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 10:14

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@Muertos gotcha my mistake

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 10:39

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@Liz

I never talked about the 1st amendment your seeing things please point to me where I am talking about the 1st amendment.

Your use of "dubious" is being used in a context that would define yourself in my opinion as being confused which actually makes sense. Liz you have no clue what RBOSE is yet you assume and conclude based off third party sources and spread that around like it's fact when you yourself have no first hand information for yourself. If I were to define my intelligence i would define myself a very resourceful person rather than intelligent and at that I have to question who you are and your integrity Liz as you seem to know a lot about me, Grits and RBOSE but I do not know anything about you.

Again when you make statements such as this

"defend and enable someone like Codie Vickers under the banner of protecting freedom and free speech."

Liz your taking words from your mouth and putting them into my own. I do not believe you can read peoples minds, I have no clue who you are, you certainly are not my girlfriend, yet it sounds like you know who I am on a personal level. Have we talked before? In all respect I have no clue who you are... Now your welcome to read this thread you will find your answers to your questions as me and Anticultist discussed in depth about this. If you actually read this thread you will get your answer if you care which obviously you do which I much respect that and I commend you Liz on that very much. Please do more research and do not put words into my mouth, basing it off of assumptions and out right fabrications which i can only assume because you get your information again from third party sources and not first hand.

I find this interesting for anybody interested, topic made by VTV caleld

Inside the mind of a troll...

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=247356

I assume the troll is me as well but again is only an assumption.

Also lets keep in mind another topic VTV got involved in discussing Michael Jackson.

VTV

"You know it had never really occured to me, but the FBI spent I believe about a decade trying to find something on him. Makes me wonder in retrospect if it was because they didn't want someone with as much power as him making videos like the prison video I linked above."

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=201977&limit=10&limitstart=20

Simply wow... The UFO/Alien conspirator at work here.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 11:03

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Definitely not directed at you Bill unless you are Plautus ?

That was his assessment of this thread, and you know what? VTV is actually dead on about a lot of stuff he says there.

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The Burger King

Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 11:35

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I'm not Plautus weeii

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 13:43

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I find this interesting for anybody interested, topic made by VTV caleld

Inside the mind of a troll...

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=247356

Haha, oh man. Someone in that thread is comparing Ed to Plautus, he is saying that since Ed is very good at debating 9/11, it is the same "bainwashing" tactics as Plautus threatening to put everyone under his garden. Or maybe he misunderstood VTV and thinks VTV is talking about Ed, not Plautus. I can't really tell.

What a bunch of fucktards.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 16:27

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I am sorry VTV I hope you are not disappointed in me. I will try to follow the tenets of the zeitgeist movement better. I am in the process of memorizing the tenets by heart and then I will recite them on youtube as well as recite them in Teamspeak 3 for people to hear and understand. If I may suggest one thing i do not think we have enough rules and protocols to follow, things would flow much better if we did. Simply put trolls need to go away, and I vow with all my heart and soul to find all trolls within the Zeitgeist movement. The tenets of TZM need to be followed!

GavinPalmer1984 people like Ed and Breton are no good. I have received emotional trauma from Breton and Ed to the extent of affecting my sleep, and at random parts of the day crying... I am sorry but I see no defense for any troll in the world that makes me cry... Trolls are troll nothing else nothing more.

Have you guys read this ?

I cant figure out if this guy is taking the piss out of VTV, but it just seems too far fetched to be real hahaha

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=247356&limit=10&limitstart=10#247477

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 16:44

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^I think that fellow is likely Plautus' latest personality, basesd on the level of sarcasm and the fact that his first post was shilling that rbose thingy.

Underneath all the threats, his antics are kind of amusing.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 16:47

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yeah hes switching roles, wow he likes to kid around a lot with them.

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 16:51

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Did Plautus get banned or bored from here?

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Posted: Apr 12, 2010 - 16:55

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I think he just left and focused on his real enemy.

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