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MuertosPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 12:20
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Okay, Plautus (sp?), you asked for it, you got it.

Not a shred of evidence that there was any form of demolition.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc__demolition_.html</p>

Go!

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 12:23
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Nice try, but I just dropped a couple of cardboard boxes and it proved that 911 was an inside jobbyjob through science.

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MuertosPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 12:27
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She blinded me with science?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 12:30
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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 14:07
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I'll handle this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLUbKzO9S2A /> http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm<br /> http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/DemolitionWTC.htm
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/awtc.htm<br /> http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/<br /> http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html<br /> http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1129 /> http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11_wtc_videos.html<br /> http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com/<br /> http://911lies.org/WTC_collapse_demolition_explosions.html<br /> http://911review.com/motive/insurance.html<br /> http://911review.org/Wget/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/wtc/wtc-demolition.htm<br /> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/category.asp?ID=46 /> http://www.oilempire.us/demolition.html<br /> http://www.thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/WTC/wtc-demolition.htm<br /> http://letsrollforums.com/world-trade-center-demolished-f16.html?s=a6f63033c8a863ed9d98471267dc56b4& /> http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090713033854249 /> http://www.wtc7.net/<br /> http://www.daily.pk/911-world-trade-center-collapse-kerosene-fire-controlled-demolition-or-a-third-story-10499/<br /> http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm<br /> http://wtcdemolition.com/<br /> http://radicalart.info/destruction/ArtificialDisasters/WTC/index.html

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 14:09
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The sad thing is that I recognize all of those URLs without even opening them.

But kudos on the Truther Info Deluge. A tried and true tactic.

Where would modern journalism be without fine institutions like the Daily Pak?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 14:15
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Robert Singer is an Entrepreneur and the author of a forthcoming book on the Federal Reserve. His articles cover politics and the financial and environmental implications of our consumer society. The articles have been main headlined and can be found on numerous popular websites: Marketoracle, Silverseek, Silver Bear Café, Goldseek, Daylife, LAprogressive, Canadafreepress, Opednews, Daily.pk and many of the Wordpress sites. Richard Daughty, The Mogambo Guru, proclaimed him a Junior Mogambo Ranger (JMR).

Dem Bones is Connected To De Debt Bone by Robert Singer, an analysis of the Federal Reserve, can be found on numerous popular websites including G. Edward Griffin’s Unfiltered News. Edward Griffin is the author of the definitive work on the Federal Reserve, The Creature from Jekyll Island.

Meat, Milk and Motors: The New China Syndrome by Robert Singer, an essay about China first released in February 2009 has been widely posted and read on the Internet. Quotes from the article can be found in The Wall Street Journal Digital Network and was the Top World Story on the Pakistan Daily website for over a week.

Footnotes:

[1] 9/11, What’s Wrong With This Picture? http://dprogram.net/2009/03/26/911-whats-wrong-with-this-picture, makes a compelling argument the government wants you to believe “they” did it.

[2] The government describes the coincidence of terrorists actually hijacking planes and flying them into the World Trade Center as just one of those “bizarre coincidences,” those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time, like the same person winning the lottery three weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things happen.

[3] September 10, 2001, “Donald Rumsfeld spoke to Congress and confessed the Pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion Dollars. Just vanished.”

[4] UAL Flight 93 Landed Safely At Cleveland Hopkins Airport Plane Lands In Cleveland – Bomb Feared Aboard 8-7-4 Reported by 9 News Staff Web produced by: Liz Foreman 9/11/01, At 10 A.M. on 9/11 Cleveland airport was evacuated due to rumors of a bomb scare. People around the airport were told to go home. Flights 11, 12 (9+3), 13 (1+7+5), 14 (7+7).

[5] WTC Steel Removal The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html#ref2The authorities apparently considered the rubble quite valuable: New York City officials had every debris truck tracked on GPS and had one truck driver who took an unauthorized 1 ½ hour lunch fired. GPS on the Job in Massive World Trade Center Clean-up, securitysolutions.com, 7/1/2002, http://securitysolutions.com/ar/security_gps_job_massive/</p>

[6] http://www.drjudywood.com

http://www.prlog.org/10048184-scientists-see-wtc-hutchison-effect-parallel.html</p>

http://www.prlog.org/10073301-new-study-by-former-professor-examines-hurricane-erin-on-9-11-01.html</p>

[7] Dip of the Earth’s magnetic field on September 11, 2001 at 8:46:40 http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin5.html</p>

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/mpics/H4.jpg</p>

[8] July 23. Connect Griffin to New World Order on angieon911, www.angieon911.com

[9] 1789 – Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité – Providence, Miracle or What Really Happened

1947 – The Modern State of Israel: Providence, Miracle, or What Really

October 2008 - “We don’t want your tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to trash the planet” The Federal Reserve, 2009

[10] The Great Seal of the United States (First Facts) by Terri Degezelle (Library Binding – Dec 2003)

The New World Order, by Ralph A. Epperson; 1990

[11] NWO Horned hand (Satanic Hand Signals) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de42DDN44H8

[12] Jan 21, 1993 … Following is a transcript of President Clinton’s Inaugural Address … we speak and the faces we show the world, we force the spring. … Though we march to the music of our time, our mission is timeless. …. www.nytimes.com/…/the-inauguration-we-force-the-spring-transcript-of-address-by-president-clinton.html

[13] Manly Palmer Hall, member of the Illuminati and 33rd Degree Freemason, called “the 20th century’s greatest Masonic scholar and philosopher” by the Supreme Council of the 33rd Degree of Freemasonry’s official monthly publication, the Scottish Rite Journal in the obituary section of August 1990.

Presentation by Brother Freemason Eugene W Plawiuk M.M at Norwood Lodge No.90 A.F.& A.M. G.R.A. September 3 1991 C.E.

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Fucking lol.

Your sources suck.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 14:18
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smooth, you almost convinced me

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 14:21
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"smooth, you almost convinced me "

What, that your sources suck or 911 was not an inside job?

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 15:14
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"9/11, What’s Wrong With This Picture? http://dprogram.net/2009/03/26/911-whats-wrong-with-this-picture, makes a compelling argument the government wants you to believe “they” did it."

Saddens me that on the sidebar of that picture they have a list of "Top Infowarriors" and John Pilger gets put right in with filth like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, and Luke Rudowski.

Edit: I mean, he can be sensationalist at times... but he is still of a totally different caliber than these conspiracy theorists he's listed alongside.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 15:22
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Posting links to tons of sites, some of which contradict each other, isn't evidence 9/11 was an inside job. Instead, you should argue point by point in your own words and use as many PRIMARY sources as you can to back them up. If we follow that, we can have a decent debate on this thread, if not, then it's a waste of time.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 15:27
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LOL Judy Wood

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 15:43
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Posting links to tons of sites, some of which contradict each other, isn't evidence 9/11 was an inside job. Instead, you should argue point by point in your own words and use as many PRIMARY sources as you can to back them up. If we follow that, we can have a decent debate on this thread, if not, then it's a waste of time.

What is it I'm supposed to be addressing, exactly? This thread was started with a bald posting of a URL that I didn't even bother to look at. My response is only as empty as the provocation contained in the first post of this thread.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 15:45
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"What is it I'm supposed to be addressing, exactly?"

A coherent narrative.

You got one yet?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 16:37
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Then create a new thread.

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MuertosPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:25
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"What is it I'm supposed to be addressing, exactly? This thread was started with a bald posting of a URL that I didn't even bother to look at. My response is only as empty as the provocation contained in the first post of this thread."

Of course you didn't bother to look at it...it's a skeptic link!

It's a link to a collection of refutations of the most common Truther "demolition" arguments.

You, as the conspiracy theorist, are the one making wild claims, not me. You're the one with the bizarre theories about demolition and exploding paint and whatnot. The burden of proof is on you to prove your theories; mine have already been proven.

But, if you want something to address, how about this. I'll post a claim, and then I will post a source that supports that claim. Like this.

CLAIM: The 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by 19 terrorists working for Osama bin Laden who hijacked four commercial planes, crashed 2 into the WTC towers, 1 into the Pentagon and 1 into a field in Shanksville, PA.

SOURCE: http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf</p>

CLAIM: The WTC towers collapsed as a result of having been struck by two fully-fueled jetliners, piloted by terrorists.

SOURCE: http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/</p>

See how this works?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:32
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You, as the conspiracy theorist, are the one making wild claims, not me. You're the one with the bizarre theories about demolition and exploding paint and whatnot. The burden of proof is on you to prove your theories; mine have already been proven.

I haven't said anything about exploding paint, I think you have me confused with somebody else. The FBI's conspiracy theory is completely bereft of support. The United States government announced that all the evidence for their story would be forthcoming, but it never came. Instead, a mountain of evidence implicating the government surfaced. That is all in the public domain. It's beyond the scope of a single post here to encompass the entirety of that evidence. I submit that no amount of evidence is going to be enough to shake your faith in the official fables. None of it has been proven by any means, and yet here you are claiming it's all been proven. You also seem to be willingly ignoring all the evidence that the United States government was complicit in the acts. I'm afraid your problems are beyond the scope of my expertise. I'm not a psychologist.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:35
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CLAIM: The 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by 19 terrorists working for Osama bin Laden who hijacked four commercial planes, crashed 2 into the WTC towers, 1 into the Pentagon and 1 into a field in Shanksville, PA.

No fewer than seven of these individuals named by the FBI are still alive and protesting their innocence. The entire story falls apart at this point, unless you want to propose some other suspects committing the same acts. Do you have other suspects?

STATUS OF YOUR CLAIM: debunked

PS: It's "Usama", not "Osama".

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:35
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"No fewer than seven of these individuals named by the FBI are still alive and protesting their innocence."

I know I'm going to regret this, but got any proof?

"STATUS OF YOUR CLAIM: debunked"

lolno

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MuertosPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:36
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No fewer than seven of these individuals named by the FBI are still alive and protesting their innocence.

Name one.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:37
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@Muertos,

Didn't you know that it is impossible for people in the Middle East to have the same name?

I mean look at the evidence: not a single Joe Smith anywhere.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:38
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STATUS OF THIS THREAD: Humorous, yet sad.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:38
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CLAIM: The WTC towers collapsed as a result of having been struck by two fully-fueled jetliners, piloted by terrorists.

Direct observational evidence falsified this notion. The buildings collapsed almost entirely into their own footprints, the vast majority of the half a million tons of each tower and all of Seven World Trade Center. It couldn't be more obvious that it was a controlled demolition initiated by explosives. I don't expect you to ever change your mind, though, since your faith in the official fables seems unshakable by any means, no matter how much evidence piles up against it.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:39
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Didn't you know that it is impossible for people in the Middle East to have the same name?

The individuals named by the FBI that have come forward also have the same faces, not just the same names. Unless you want to suggest some kind of evil twin coincidence theory, you're dead in the water.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:41
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Satam al Suqami, Wail and Waleed al Shehri (two brothers) Both Alive, Abdul Aziz al Omari Alive, Fayez Banihammad (from the UAE), Ahmed al Ghamdi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri Alive, Saeed al Ghamdi Alive, Ahmad al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami Alive, Majed Moqed, and Salem al Hazmi Alive (the brother of Nawaf al Hazmi).

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:41
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lol you got kicked out of wikipedia and zeitgeist

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:42
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Share speculators have failed to collect $2.5m (£1.7m) in profits made from the fall in the share price of United Airlines after the 11 September World Trade Centre attacks. The fact that the money is unclaimed more than a month later has re-awakened investigators' interest in a story dismissed as coincidence. It may be that investors who were able to predict the share price crash so skilfully are reluctant to be seen profiting from tragedy. But investigators now wonder whether there is a more sinister explanation.

The authorities are examining the possibility that if they knew what was coming, traders were intent on taking their profits immediately, before regulators had woken up to any possible scam. But investors failed to foresee that the first response of the US stock markets to the disaster was to suspend all trading for four days, thereby denying them the chance of cashing in their profits.

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MuertosPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:43
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Plautus: where's your evidence that 7 hijackers are still alive? It doesn't appear to be in your long list of links, most of which beat the "free fall proves controlled demolition" horse...

...oh, which by the way, is debunked here.
http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html</p>

EDIT: Hold on, just saw your post.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:43
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Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the "put options" on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency. Until 1997 A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker's Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker's Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering. Krongard's last position at Banker's Trust (BT) was to oversee "private client relations." In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard (re?) joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And, as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_krongard.html

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 18:47
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"You want to read Plautus's latest NASA 'fluff' over on the Yahoo group. He provides a link to an audio clip of astronauts talking about witnessing an Earthrise, and then says this is impossible because the moon takes one month to go round the Earth."

http://www.bautforum.com.php5-9.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/archive/index.php/t-9074.html

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