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And FYI all stories of alive hijackers started BEFORE any pictures were released.

Then these stories must have come out before the World Trade Center was even demolished, because they were plastering those pictures of nineteen men all over the news the very same day. You have a very poor memory, don't you? What's the capital of Utah?

A story on the BBC's web site stating four of the "hijackers" were still alive is dated: Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK

Sure, that's long before the pictures of the nineteen men were released, right? eh-hem

This is just getting absurd, you coincidence theorists will believe anything, won't you.

Here is all the information on the BBC article:
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Waleed_al-Shehri_still_alive%3F

It evidently is not the same guy, why do you ignore all this evidence?

>>>>>>because they were plastering those pictures of nineteen men all over the news the very same day.

Prove it.

and obviously you don't give a crap what Mark Bingham's mother actually thought about the call.

I told you I've listened to this woman talking about the phone call. She seemed very emotional and has apparently deluded herself into thinking it was her son. I don't consider her a reliable "witness". The entire call seems fishy, I don't find it believable, that's the bottom line and really all I've tried to say abou tit. If you think it's genuine, nothing I can offer in the way of evidence to the contrary is likely to convince you.

No where in those quotes do the experts claim the calls were impossible and no where in those quotes do they say at what elevation the calls would be inpossible.

I listed a number of sources, and included URL's and quotes. In the documents I cited there are other links to more material where the very people quoted express great surprise because they had previously thought such calls were impossible. If you're convinced the calls were possible, and actually occurred, nothing I'm able to offer in the way of evidence is likely to convince you.

But someone has done their homework and it turns out the calls were made from an elevation of about 5000'.

The majority of the supposed calls from cell phones took place when the planes were higher than 8000 feet.

And btw...

BBC article... 23rd September
FBI releases photos officially... 27th September

They probably got an early picture somehow and misreported it with the guy with the WRONG NAME. Thats right, the main guy in the BBC article is not Waleed Mohammed al-Shehri. You say the other "alive hiajckers" recognised their pictures, but the truth is they have completely different pictures.

um...that September 27 date is the date the FBI published the pictures on their web site. The BBC posted one of those pictures on September 23, thanks for proving my point. The pictures were already being reported in the media, every single one of them had been published, just not on the FBI's web site until the 27 date.

Coincidence theorists would probably trot out some evil twin or doppleganger argument, but the fact remains, the pictures were in the public domain almost immediately, they showed pictures of the alleged hijackers one day, then said they all had ties to "al qaeda" and Usama bin Laden on day two and accused bin Laden of being the "mastermind". But of course they also said "the terrorists" were operating in small cells that created their own goals and funded their own operations...wow, just like israeli agents act when they're spying in the United States. Check out the israeli art student spy ring if you need convincing of that.

1. You claimed they had shown pictures of the hiajckers ON THE DAY all over the news.

No, that's not what I claimed, I claimed they showed pictures of people who were not hijackers, many of which soon came forth to explain to dullards like you that they were not hijackers.

2. You claimed that they men recognised their photo's.

I showed you they looked completely different.

You showed that there are at least two people in the world who don't look alike, and that's it. The pictures of the men identified by the FBI as "suicide hijackers" had been shown in all the media, I know this because I remember it, and no fewer than seven of those people came forward to explain to the FBI and the rest of the world that they were not "suicide hijackers".

3. The one guy in the BBC article IS THE WRONG NAME and the real Waleed Mohammed al-Shehri's family and all the other hijacker families have accepted that their sons were hijackers and none of them say they are alive.

That the BBC spelled a name wrongly or that one of the men's families don't doubt the official fables really has nothing to do with it, we still have no fewer than seven of these individuals named by the FBI as "suicide hijackers" coming forth to reveal to the FBI and the world that they were not "suicide hijackers". I'm not really concerned about convincing you this information is true, you're free to believe whatever fables you like, even the official one.

The six Saudis are:

* Abdulaziz Alomari, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center.

A man with the same name is an electrical engineer in Saudi Arabia. He lived in Denver, where he got his degree from the University of Colorado, from 1993 until last year.

"In 1995, his apartment was broken into in Denver and his passport and other official documents were stolen," Allagany said.

* Salem Alhamzi, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

A man with the same name works for the Saudi Royal Commission in the Saudi city of Yanbu.

* Saeed Alghamdi, a name used by one of the alleged hijackers on United Airlines Flight 93, the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.

A Saudi Arabian pilot,, currently on a mission to Tunisia, has the same name.

* Ahmed Alnami, a name used by another suspected hijacker on Flight 93.

A 33-year-old Saudi Arabian pilot with the same name is alive in Riyadh.

* Wail Alshehri, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11.

A man by the same name is a pilot whose father is a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. "I personally talked to both father and son today," Allagany said.

* Waleed M. Alshehri, a name used by another alleged hijacker on Flight 11, is the same name as the other son of the diplomat

The list above shows that several of the "stolen identity" men were pilots, and in fact two of them were brothers, one of the two brothers being a pilot, and both being the sons of the same diplomat. Coincidence theorists would simply say it's just a coincidence these named men were pilots and "well there are two other brothers, one of which is a pilot, both of which are the sons of the same diplomat". Hey, sure, maybe this guy had two wives and two sons by each wife, and four sons sharing two names. eh-hem

This video features Donald Rumsfeld saying that flight 93 was "shot down":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0&feature=related

Coincidence theorists would just say it's a slip of the tongue, that Todd Beamer said "let's roll" and Mark Bingham said "mom, this is Mark Bingham, your son".

>>>I told you I've listened to this woman talking about the phone call. She seemed very emotional and has apparently deluded herself into thinking it was her son. I don't consider her a reliable "witness". The entire call seems fishy, I don't find it believable, that's the bottom line and really all I've tried to say abou tit. If you think it's genuine, nothing I can offer in the way of evidence to the contrary is likely to convince you.<<<

She seemed emotional?

Jeez I wonder why?

You've offered no evidence that the call was fraudulent and you've continuously changed your story regarding why you think the call was not made by Mark Bingham....you're wiggling.

The only thing you've offered so far is your incredulity which means absolutely nothing.

>>>I listed a number of sources, and included URL's and quotes. In the documents I cited there are other links to more material where the very people quoted express great surprise because they had previously thought such calls were impossible. If you're convinced the calls were possible, and actually occurred, nothing I'm able to offer in the way of evidence is likely to convince you.<<<

This was the only link you've presented and it doesn't support your claim that the calls made from cells (2) were impossible. In fact, the source artilces (I found and read both) for the quotes from experts work against your claim, not for it.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html</p>

IMHO the only reason you believe the calls were impossible is that it fits your conclusion and not because evidence leads you to that conclusion.

Pretty typical for 911 twoof.

>>>Coincidence theorists would just say it's a slip of the tongue

Because it makes more sense to think these genius' conspirators are so stupid they can't help blabbing about the conspiracy to the worlds media? Why do you keep wanting to convince us the government are absolute genius' and total incompetent retards at the same time?

And... don't truthers like to claim there was no United 93 crash at all? Did it get shot down and fall into a worm hole, so they had to plant all the evidence?

>>>There were no "actual hijackers",

Dont sidestep onto that claim about Home Run you refuse to provide any evidence for.

You claimed the "alive hijackers" recognised themselves from the pictures yet they do not look anything like the pictures.

You claimed that they started plastering those picture of the alleged hijackers all over the news on the say day as the attacks. I'm still waiting for any evidence of that. You can actually search all the news archives at archive.org, so there's no excuse and it shouldn't be hard to find if it was all over the news.

I don't want to talk about anything else when you cant even accept a single claim like this is wrong or refuse to provide any evidence for it.

@Plautus

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/itzmeron

>>>There were no "actual hijackers", the planes were not hijacked from inside the cockpits, at least not without the United States military being complicit. NORAD has the capacity to seize control of these planes from the ground. And honestly who gives a fuck about calls, who gives a fuck if these guys are still alive and didn't hijack shit, if these were conventional hijackings, why didn't NORAD stop them before they were able to hit buildings? Why weren't any of these planes intercepted by our Air Force? Wake up, fools, the United States military was behind that event, with the help and supervision of israelis. I already explained about the men arrested on top of the Urban Moving Systems van, laughing, cavorting, high-fiving each other over the smashing success of their mission.<<<

Why don't you come clean and say, "who gives a f&*k about evidence period"?

Pretty obvious you don't.

"Copyright 2002 American Broadcasting Companies, Inc.

ABC News

SHOW: 20/20 (10:00 PM ET)- ABC

June 21, 2002 Friday

HEADLINE: Five Israeli men arrested soon after 9/11 might have been working for Israeli intelligence, but likely did not know beforehand about the attacks

ANCHORS: BARBARA WALTERS; JOHN MILLER

Announcer: From Times Square in New York, Barbara Walters and John Miller. BARBARA WALTERS, co-host: Good evening, and welcome to 20/20.

Tonight, a very important 20/20 investigation into a very ugly story that's made its way around the world since September 11th. The story is that Israel knew more than it would like to admit about the terrorist attack in this coun-try. It's a rumor, but in some Arab countries--including Saudi Arabia, which I visited earlier this year--even educated people told me that they believe it is absolutely true. So how could such a rumor take hold? And John, I know that you have been looking into this now for months.

JOHN MILLER, co-host: We have. And when you try to trace the roots of this rumor, all roads seem to lead to the arrest of of group of Israeli men on the very day of the attacks, men who seemed coincidentally to be in the right place at the right time, and behaving strangely. Why did they become the focus of months of investigation by the FBI and the CIA? Why were they repeatedly asked by the FBI if they had any advance knowledge of the attacks, and in fact, did they? Surprisingly, the tip that led to the arrests of these five men did not come from a spy satellite, it came from a New Jersey housewife.

(VO) On the morning of September 11th, Maria--who asked us not to use her last name--was home preparing for her day, when she got a call from a friend who lived upstairs in the same New Jersey high-rise.

MARIA: She was sitting when she heard a noise, at the same time she felt like it--it shook--like the building shook, she said. She called me immediately. She said,'You know, there's--there's something wrong, look at your window by the twin towers.' So I grab my binoculars and I could see the towers from my window. And this is where I, you know, I'm looking. I saw the smoke from the top, just from the top of the towers.

MILLER:(VO) After watching for a little while, something caught Maria's at-tention in the parking lot below her window.

MARIA: Like a few minutes must have gone on, and all of a sudden down there I see this van park. And I see three guys on top of the van, and I'm trying, you know, to look at the building but what caught my attention, they seemed to be taking a movie.

MILLER:(VO) Maria says the three young men were kneeling on the roof of a white van. It was parked right here. They were taking pictures of each other with the World Trade Center burning in the background.

MARIA: And I could see that they were, like, happy, you know? They--they--they weren't--they didn't look shocked to me, you know? They didn't look shocked. I thought it was very strange."

Ohhhh....scary!

Those damned ebil Jews eh Plautus?

Another stupid thing about the dancing Israeli claim is that truthers usually try and say the US ignored warnings from Israel about the attacks.

Truthers don't have to let their fables make coherent sense.