Skeptic Project

>>>>>>The United States already has such a system, which is why it's not being developed here, it already exists. Now Europe has such a system.

So how does that source prove anything?

We're back to square 1. Prove this exists in the US and that it existed since Regan and works the way you said it works.

Who else? Those guys you quoted before that also failed to provide any sources we just have to believe them?

No, you don't have to believe anything.

Ok I'm out you're just a troll wasting my time. You're not providing any evidence, just making claims and assuming your word is good enough.

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If you want, talking to a wall of obstinance and intentional stubbornness gets very boring.

Once someone has sufficiently discredited themselves as you have long ago the reason I have to keep going for lurkers is not longer there.

so...you give up?

>>>Actually the evidence suggests otherwise. In any case, these calls are purely hypothetical. Where are the logs of these calls? Where are recordings of these calls? <<<

According to you the calls are hypothetical.

I wonder if the families feel the calls they recieved were hypothetical?

What have you done to find out if recordings of these calls were made?

And why didn't you address the other points in my post?

Why are twoofers so bloody deceptive?

What I find tragic, Plautus, is that you, an anti-Semitic Holocaust denier, 9/11 Truther and conspiracy theorist, believe that anybody would actually buy the ridiculous shit you're peddling on this forum.

If a single one of those hijackers was still alive, why hasn't Alex Jones or Peter Merola or Dylan Avery done an exclusive interview with them and posted their "protestation of innocence" on their web site? One such interview would validate their entire world view and gain tens of thousands of followers. Strange, isn't it, that the 9/11 Truth movement has overlooked such a potential gold mine for persuasion.

Here's an idea, Jew-hater: why don't you personally try to contact one of these hijackers who you insist are still alive and get them to tell you their story? I'm quite sure, if they are still alive and are out there protesting their innocence, that they'd be chomping at the bit to tell anyone about what happened to them and that they've been framed.

You should do that. You'd be the hero of the 9/11 Truth movement. People would write books about you. You'd get called before a Congressional committee and could single-handedly blow the lid off the whole 9/11 conspiracy. You would succeed where all the Averys, Joneses and Merolas of the world have failed.

>> They've already told their stories, and nobody really cared. Their stories basically consisted of "it wasn't me" then the world moved on.

So, what you're saying is that the news was wrong about them being alive, the individuals said it wasn't them, and the news admitted to being wrong? Well, sounds like that matches up with what happened perfectly well.

>>>According to the fact that their existence is just a hypothesis, they are hypothetical.<<<

No.

According to you and few other irrelevant kooks on the internet.

According to reality these calls took place, the family members that recieved them have talked about them and their existance has been entered as evidence in a court of law and accepted.

>>>As for the families, one woman that I recall reported that a man called her and said something to the effect of "this is your son" then gave his first and last name...what son says his first and last name to his own mother after saying "this is your son"? It's tragic and comical at the same time. What's more tragic is the extreme gullibility of most people that they actually believed all these stories about frantic calls from cell phones on planes full of arabs wielding box cutters.<<<

Right.

So according to you and a few other internet kooks the ebil government hired some actor who called this poor woman and said "Mom, this is your son, Mark Bingham" and the ebil basturds not only screwed up but then told us all about it so some internet kook like yourself could eventually see through this obvious deception and unravel the entire plot.

Right.

There's no need for you or any other internet kook to talk to Mrs. Bingham and hear her side of the story though right? Of course not. In the world of twoof you only take what you can spin in favor of your conclusion and never look any further.

And what's really tragic is that internet kooks like yourself can't see how badly screw up themselves.

Like the article you posted and claimed proved that the cell calls were impossible to make. When faced with the reality that your own source doesn't back your claim what do you do?

You throw the experts you brought into the discussion under the bus and continue on with the same conclusion rather than taking a step back and reviewing you claim that the cell call was impossible and searching for the truth.

I do want to thank you though, because you've once again confirmed my conclusion that there is zero truth in twoof.

So, what you're saying is that the news was wrong about them being alive, the individuals said it wasn't them, and the news admitted to being wrong?

What I'm saying now, and what I've said before, is that the FBI is wrong. They identified nineteen men as "suicide hijackers", no fewer than seven (some sources report as many as nine) of which have come forth to say they had no part in the "suicide hijackings", and that they are still alive, not burned to a crisp by a jet fuel fire inside the World Trace Center.

Well, sounds like that matches up with what happened perfectly well.

Well, at least it's nice to see you admitting that the media got it wrong. These people identified by the FBI who are still alive clearly took no part in any "suicide hijackings", and in the absence of other suspects, the only reasonable conclusion is that the FBI's conspiracy theory is wrong. They haven't offered any other suspects, so I reasonably conclude that their conspiracy theory is wrong. Coincidence theorists will forever continue to insist, however, that these men were in fact "suicide hijackers", despite the fact that they're still alive and protesting their innocence and not being prosecuted for anything.

>>>>>These people identified by the FBI who are still alive clearly took no part in any "suicide hijackings",

Prove they are the same people or STFU

You really don't seem to understand the concept of mistaken identity, do you?

What you don't seem to understand is these people SELF IDENTIFIED based on their pictures and personal information which was floated as a monstrous lie by the FBI calling them "suicide hijackers". The FBI was wrong, they've put forth no other suspects, so their conspiracy theory falls apart. You and the other coincidence theorists who insist that these imaginary "suicide hijackers" had dopplegangers are absurd and childish. Grow up.

When the BBC went looking into it, they found people with _the same name_ and the people denied it. To you this means that they _are_ the same people? What the hell?

How strange that the BBC would report that these people "denied" their previous claims that their pictures and personal information was plastered all over the news. Seriously? Are they in on the coincidence theory as well? eh-hem

I've listened to interviews with Mark Bingham's mother and I didn't hear her say anything remotely like that she didn't find it strange her son identified himself by his full name.

If anything her comments make her sound like a very sad woman desperately trying to cling to the idea that her son actually called her, that she wasn't simply duped.

Yeah, this coming from the "only one arabic transliteration standard" and "holocaust is a hebrew word" guy.

And there is only one standard, hence the term "standard". I said "holocaust" was "derived from a hebrew word", and it is. We've been through this already. I cited two different sources that both say the word "holocaust" is derived from hebrew words. How many more do you need, I'll get started looking for them as soon as I get back from this fence job.

This person who called Mark Bingham's mother also didn't respond to any questions, said that the "hijackers" had a bomb and that he was calling from the phone on the plane.