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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:01
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This is turning into a pattern with you, this process of setting up straw men. Are you suggesting that because I asked if you are black, that I must therefore dislike black people? What is a black person, anyway?

Again learn the difference between a question and a statement.

I ASKED you if you didn't like black people because you have ended up believing all manor of other crazy things, why NOT that?

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:02
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>>>Like I said, they believed the official fables about phone calls. If you think something is impossible, then somebody tells you it happened, if you believe them, you struggle to explain how the impossible could have happened.<<<

This is from the article you posted.

The article you're deceptively attempting to use to prove your point.

So if you don't believe what these people are saying then why did you post the article?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:04
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Again learn the difference between a question and a statement.

I ASKED you if you didn't like black people because you have ended up believing all manor of other crazy things, why NOT that?

I don't understand. Not liking black people is the same as "believing crazy things"? I don't follow. In any case, I know the difference between a question and an answer, and your question was clearly suggesting the straw man argument that I dislike black people. What is a black person, anyway?

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:04
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>>his is simply not true. Dozens of people that I know personally also know it. That ou do not know it is testament to your colossal ignorance./

LOL!

..."Dozens of people that I know personally"

Why cant you find any other source apart from some random people you know? Is that evidence to you? I'm just meant to believe you? You aren't anywhere near that credible.

Is there a conspiracy to strip all mentions of it from the internet when people like you try and find a source on it?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:05
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This is from the article you posted.

Yes, it was from the piece I posted, and as I just explained to you, clearly it's a case of believing a lie and trying to justify the impossible. The calls were technologically impossible. You don't have to believe that for it to be the case.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:06
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The fact that this guy has "satire" in his name just sticks out at me.

But surely no one could take a troll identity to such a level and for so long.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:06
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Is there a conspiracy to strip all mentions of it from the internet when people like you try and find a source on it?

I'm not aware of one. Is there one?

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:07
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>>>This is simply not true. If you look at the timeline, most of these hypothetical calls took place when the planes were at altitudes exceeding 8000 feet, when communication with towers would have been absolutely impossible. Again we have a case here of somebody struggling to understand how the impossible could have happened, because they believed a lie. Where are the logs of these calls? Where are recordings of these calls?<<<

If you look at the evidence you'll see that most of the calls made were from Air phones not cell phones.

As far as the recordings of these calls, that would most likely be up to the family and cell providers to release.

Have you contacted them or do you just do google based research and rely on the previous lies of other to prop up your own?

Your own article is making your claim look foolish.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:09
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I don't understand. Not liking black people is the same as "believing crazy things"? I don't follow. In any case, I know the difference between a question and an answer, and your question was clearly suggesting the straw man argument that I dislike black people. What is a black person, anyway?

Ah you also don't know what a strawman is either apparently. It can't be a strawman unless I actually say you believe something you don't, I merely ASKED YOU IF YOU DID.

Secondly, not liking black people is in the same vein as holocaust denial and Jew hate, beliefs that prompts people to make derogatory slurs like "Jew York" and so on.

Since you believe in all kinds of other things apparently even in gruesomely murdering police, I dont see why plain 'ol racism wouldn't be surprising.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:11
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>>>>I'm not aware of one. Is there one?

Apparently so, you can't find any evidence for it so I guess the government removed it all! OMG!

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:15
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I don't understand. Not liking black people is the same as "believing crazy things"? I don't follow. In any case, I know the difference between a question and an answer, and your question was clearly suggesting the straw man argument that I dislike black people. What is a black person, anyway?

Ah you also don't know what a strawman is either apparently. It can't be a strawman unless I actually say you believe something you don't, I merely ASKED YOU IF YOU DID.

Re-read what I said, you were "suggesting the straw man" argument with your question.

Secondly, not liking black people is in the same vein as holocaust denial and Jew hate, beliefs that prompts people to make derogatory slurs like "Jew York" and so on.

If you insist.

PS: You haven't answered me, what is a "black" person?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:18
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Apparently so, you can't find any evidence for it so I guess the government removed it all! OMG!

hmm...if you say so...why couldn't it just be simple ignorance, though?

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:19
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>>what is a "black" person?

Stupid question. How about... do you dislike anyone because of their race?

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:20
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>>>>hmm...if you say so...why couldn't it just be simple ignorance, though?

Because you said it was well known.

How come you can't find anyone else that knows about it and all official procedures act as if it doesn't exist and no ones ever brought this up in the media?

You're going to have to admit you're wrong somewhere, just decide in what way.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:20
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If you look at the evidence you'll see that most of the calls made were from Air phones not cell phones.

Actually the evidence suggests otherwise. In any case, these calls are purely hypothetical. Where are the logs of these calls? Where are recordings of these calls?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:21
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Stupid question. How about... do you dislike anyone because of their race?

I don't believe in race, to be honest. All human beings are one race. What do you define as a "black" person? Clearly you have some ideas about race, please share them.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:23
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How come you can't find anyone else that knows about it and all official procedures act as if it doesn't exist and no ones ever brought this up in the media?

I've told you that dozens of people personally known to me also are aware of this system. In most cases because they remember when it was implemented, in other cases because of brave people who have posted information on the internet about it.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:25
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>>What do you define as a "black" person? Clearly you have some ideas about race, please share them.

People who dislike black people typically mean any non-Caucasian, it usually refers to Africans however.

Well that was pointless, now... why did you say "Jew York" again?

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:29
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>>>"I've told you that dozens of people personally known to me also are aware of this system. In most cases because they remember when it was implemented, in other cases because of brave people who have posted information on the internet about it. "

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That doesn't prove it exists you lunatic, it proves you have insane friends as crazy as you.

Just tell me why you expect anyone to just believe you?

If I say every Bowing 747 has a detachable section the pilots can use in emergencies to separate the plane and fly away to safety and tell me that its no secret and its well known but cant find any evidence of that anywhere, just because you and some people you know (but can only tell me about) believe it doesn't mean it exists or that anyone else should believe that.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:30
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Here's the new european version that mirrors the version in operation in the United States:

http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=NEW_PROJ_TM&ACTION=D&DOC=2&CAT=PROJ&QUERY=1192420148778&RCN=81479

Objective: The solution proposed in EC FP6 SAFEE (Security of Aircraft in the Future European Environment) and developed by SOFIA, the Flight Reconfiguration Function (FRF), is a technological response of the industry to the social demand of increasing the security i n the air transport after the September 11th terrorist attacks. It is also a technological development coping with the aims of the "Ultra Secure Air Transport System" concept developed by ACARE in its Second Strategic Research Agenda.

As a continuation of the SAFEE works on FRF, SOFIA will design architectures for integrating the FRF system into several typologies of avionics for civil transport aircraft; develop one of this architectures; validate the FRF concept and the means to integrate it in the current ATM; assess the safety of FRF at aircraft and operational (ATC) levels. Therefore FRF will take the control of the aircraft and will manage to safely return it to ground upon a security emergency (e.g. hijacking), disabling the control and command of the aircraft from the cockpit. It will also execute a new flight plan towards a secure airport and land the aircraft at it. The flight plan can be generated in ground or in a military airplane and transmitted to the aircraft, or created autonomously at the own FRF system.

The execution of the new flight plan is autonomously performed by FRF without any control from ground. FRF also allows performing station keeping with a military aircraft. Additionally, SOFIA will investigate the integration of such solution into different airspace environments: current ATM, ASAS/ADS-B, airspace with/without radar coverage, 4D trajectory negotiation... SOFIA will validate FRF by using a platform composed of an ATC facility and a flight cabin simulator (upgrade of the one used in SAFEE SP3) linked, and by performing flight trials with real aircraft. The SOFIA consortium is a well- balanced and skilled set of 9 organizations from 7 countries across Europe, with SME.

Start Date: 2006-09-01 End Date: 2009-12-31 Duration: 40 months
Project Status Completed

Europe has this system now.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:31
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If I say every Bowing 747 has a detachable section the pilots can use in emergencies to seperate the plane and fly away to safety and tell me that its no secret and its well known but cant find any evidence of that anywhere, just because you and some people you know believe it doesn't mean it exists or that anyone else should believe that.

That's quite an idea. Maybe you should pitch that to Boeing.

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anticultistPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:32
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This has become an epic thread, quite like the epicness of zarathustras story,great work guys this ones beaten the VTV thread by a mile !

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:32
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That is very very new and btw you must have missed this line...

"after the September 11th terrorist attacks. "

You fail. Sure they started developing stuff LIKE what you're talking about AFTER 911, but you claimed these systems have in place since Regan.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:32
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Well that was pointless, now... why did you say "Jew York" again?

slip of the finger...note that the "J" key is right next to the "N" key on my keyboard (and on most keyboards) I'll proofread a little better in the future if it keeps you from getting so wound up

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:33
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lol "slip of the finger"? Why did it take you so many pages to come up with that excuse?

Gee you're bad at this.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:34
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>>>>>>>That's quite an idea. Maybe you should pitch that to Boeing.

If they implemented it in all their aircraft would I be able to find no mention of it anywhere ever?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:35
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This has become an epic thread, quite like the epicness of zarathustras story,great work guys this ones beaten the VTV thread by a mile !

woot

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:36
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If they implemented it in all their aircraft would I be able to find no mention of it anywhere ever?

maybe?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:38
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That is very very new and btw you must have missed this line...

"after the September 11th terrorist attacks. "

You fail. Sure they started developing stuff LIKE what you're talking about AFTER 911, but you claimed these systems have in place since Regan.

You must have missed the word "Europe". The United States already has such a system, which is why it's not being developed here, it already exists. Now Europe has such a system.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:38
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>>>maybe?

Stop playing games. Why can you find no mention of something you say is widespread and well known anywhere to show me any evidence this exists and that everyone talks about the subjects as if this technology doesn't exist. How is that possible? Why are only you and your friends the only ones who know the "truth"?

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