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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:33
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Look at where all those Boeing planes were designed and built. Also consider the fact that remote control technology is orders of magnitude easier to develop than aeronautical technology, so any facility that can produce passenger jets could produce an identical system. It would be obscenely negligent not to implement such a system.

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This isn't evidence. Making stuff up from your imagination of "what ifs" is not evidence.

Why is it so hard for you to prove that a system you claim is so widely used, well known and has been around for over a decade exists?

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:34
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Another thing I'd like to point out to Plautus Satire is that in his link,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html</p>

the experts made these comments,

""Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground"

and

"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude"

Neither of these comments state the calls (from cells, not Air phones) were impossible just that they were surprised, the quality would not be very good and that the calls would have had a predisposition to be dropped due to the tech of the day.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:35
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Theres no reason to mention Jew, it raised an eyebrow.

You're projecting your own attitudes onto me. I am a jew. My mother's mother was jewish, which means my mother was jewish, which means I am jewish. There's equally "no reason" to mention whether somebody is an "arab" or a "muslim" or a "clown" yet nobody "raised an eyebrow" when I said those things. Clearly you people are the ones with the sensitivity issues here.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:36
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Neither of these comments state the calls (from cells, not Air phones) were impossible just that they were surprised, the quality would not be very good and that the calls would have had a predisposition to be dropped due to the tech of the day.

Clearly these people were believing the official fables about phone calls. Their surprise was predicated on the fact that such calls were impossible.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:38
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I am a jew. My mother's mother was jewish,

hahahaha!

OMG I wish I posted my prediction earlier that next you were going to start claiming you were also a Jew. :D :D

Funny how you'd wait several pages of being accused of hating Jews to tell us this, you are really bad at lying.

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:38
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>>>I don't pretend anything, smoking tobacco ceased all my asthma attacks forthwith<<<

That's funny because quiting smoking stopped my asthma attacks.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:38
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Why is it so hard for you to prove that a system you claim is so widely used, well known and has been around for over a decade exists?

In fact it's been around for over three decades. I remember when it was devised, I remember Ronald Reagan announcing an end to terrorist hijacking of airplanes due to this system being implemented. Ronald Reagan claimed we won the "war on terror". I guess George Bush didn't remember that, and hell, he's older than me. I guess beer and football has pickled and scrambled his brain.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:39
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That's funny because quiting smoking stopped my asthma attacks.

Second hand smoke always tended to trigger my asthma, not always a full blown "attack" but it always made it hard for me to breathe. Once I started smoking myself, that problem vanished.

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:40
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>>>Clearly these people were believing the official fables about phone calls. Their surprise was predicated on the fact that such calls were impossible.<<<

Yet they don't claim the calls were impossible, that's you putting words in their mouths.

Why are being intentionally deceptive about what they said?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:40
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"Why is it so hard for you to prove that a system you claim is so widely used, well known and has been around for over a decade exists?"

Children all over the world know there is a widely used and well known system of toy delivery every Christmas Eve.

I don't think I need to provide any more proof than that.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:40
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Funny how you'd wait several pages of being accused of hating Jews to tell us this, you are really bad at lying.

Oh yes, of course, this must surely be a lie. Did anyone ask me if I was jewish?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:41
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"Did anyone ask me if I was jewish?"

Nope.

Because you're a stupid douchebag whether you're Jewish or not.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:42
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Yet they don't claim the calls were impossible, that's you putting words in their mouths.

Why are being intentionally deceptive about what they said?

Actually, if you read the entire documents in question, it's stated pretty flatly that the calls were impossible, hence the "surprise" at the supposition that they actually took place. That surprise didn't come out of nowhere, it was based on the technological impossibility of such calls.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:42
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>>>> Oh yes, of course, this must surely be a lie. Did anyone ask me if I was jewish?

If I was being accused of being white supremacist I'd be quick to point out I'm black if I was.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:45
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If I was being accused of being white supremacist I'd be quick to point out I'm black if I was.

great...are you black?

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:45
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>>>Second hand smoke always tended to trigger my asthma, not always a full blown "attack" but it always made it hard for me to breathe. Once I started smoking myself, that problem vanished.<<<

As a lifelong asthmatic and former smoker I call bullshit.

What you're saying is analagous to saying "sulphuric acid always caused severe burns when I rubbed it on my skin but then I drank some and that problem vanished".

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:45
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>>>> Oh yes, of course, this must surely be a lie. Did anyone ask me if I was jewish?

So, being Jewish makes you impervious to anti-semitism? That is if I believed you were Jewish, and I don't.

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:49
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>>>Actually, if you read the entire documents in question, it's stated pretty flatly that the calls were impossible, hence the "surprise" at the supposition that they actually took place. That surprise didn't come out of nowhere, it was based on the technological impossibility of such calls.<<<

The links in the article you posted are dead so perhaps you could re-post ones that work.

In the meantime all we can go by is what the article says which is,

""Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground"

In which this expert plainly states that s/he speculates the reason the calls were able to take place was because the plane was close to the ground.

If this expert thought the calls were impossible why would s/he speculate on the how it could have happened?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:51
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My cat likes cat treats.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:52
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As a lifelong asthmatic and former smoker I call bullshit.

hmm...this doesn't fit with your claims that quitting smoking solved your asthma problem, since your asthma is "lifelong", were you smoking from birth?

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:53
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And Plautus Satire, the second quote from that article is even more damaging to your claim that the calls were impossible,

"Because wireless networks are designed for terrestrial use, the fact that so many people were able to call from the sky brings into question how the phones worked from such altitudes.

Alexa Graf, AT&T spokesperson, said systems are not designed for calls from high altitudes, suggesting it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.

“On land, we have antenna sectors that point in three directions — say north, southwest, and southeast,” she explained. “Those signals are radiating across the land, and those signals do go up, too, due to leakage.”

From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude, she added.

Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that RF signals actually can broadcast fairly high. On Sept. 11, the planes were flying low when people started using their phones. And, each call lasted 60 seconds or less.

“They also were digital phones, and there's a little bit more leeway on those digital phones, so it worked,” she said."

http://connectedplanetonline.com/wireless/ar/wireless_final_contact/</p>

(That link works)

So again, the article you posted is intetionally deceptive and you're being intentionally deceptive.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:54
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If this expert thought the calls were impossible why would s/he speculate on the how it could have happened?

Like I said, they believed the official fables about phone calls. If you think something is impossible, then somebody tells you it happened, if you believe them, you struggle to explain how the impossible could have happened.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:54
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>>>>>>>great...are you black?

Relevance?

I said "if", its a hypothetical to make a point. You can't read, or you're too stupid, or you're being intentionally stubborn to be annoying.

Unless...

You don't like black people either... oh wow please let it be so and we can add that to the list.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:56
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Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that RF signals actually can broadcast fairly high. On Sept. 11, the planes were flying low when people started using their phones. And, each call lasted 60 seconds or less.

This is simply not true. If you look at the timeline, most of these hypothetical calls took place when the planes were at altitudes exceeding 8000 feet, when communication with towers would have been absolutely impossible. Again we have a case here of somebody struggling to understand how the impossible could have happened, because they believed a lie. Where are the logs of these calls? Where are recordings of these calls?

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:57
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You don't like black people either... oh wow please let it be so and we can add that to the list.

This is turning into a pattern with you, this process of setting up straw men. Are you suggesting that because I asked if you are black, that I must therefore dislike black people? What is a black person, anyway?

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TheloniusPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:57
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>>>hmm...this doesn't fit with your claims that quitting smoking solved your asthma problem, since your asthma is "lifelong", were you smoking from birth?<<<

I see you're well versed in the use of semantics.

My asthma was diagnosed at 3 years of age and I still have it today.

I smoked from the age of about 20 up until about 3 years ago. I smoked for about 20 years in total and quit because I was having regular attacks that I and my doctor attributed to my smoking.

I haven't had an attack in over 2 years and am regularly around other smokers.

You're lying and you know it.

Full stop.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:59
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So, being Jewish makes you impervious to anti-semitism? That is if I believed you were Jewish, and I don't.

No, of course not, lots of jews hate arabs, and arabs are all semites. I don't hate arabs, however.

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EdPosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 20:59
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You claim hijackings on 911 were impossible due to the remote control system but no one apart from this random nutjob on the internet knows that.

You also want us to believe the conspirators are stupid enough to design a conspiracy around something that is well known to be impossible so anyone could easily ask why the anti-hijacking devices weren't activated. Lucky for them its so hard to show these devices exist isn't it!

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:00
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You're lying and you know it.

That's great that you cured your asthma by quitting smoking. I had a different experience, though.

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Plautus SatirePosted: Apr 07, 2010 - 21:01
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You claim hijackings on 911 were impossible due to the remote control system but no one apart from this random nutjob on the internet knows that.

This is simply not true. Dozens of people that I know personally also know it. That you do not know it is testament to your colossal ignorance.

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