Skeptic Project

VTV said "@MattThe turnout for Z-day? We had events all over the world. The main Z-DAY event was sold out and packed?
You making stuff up again? Sounds like it. "

I said: "Sold out ? I saw images on peoples face books that said otherwise. Empty Balcony, lots of gaps between people sitting on the wooden benches.
But yet again hes avoiding :) "

VTV said: "anticultist I don't suppose it would be too much to ask for you to provide these images rather then just going on your already proven to be untrustworthy word on the subject? "

here: http://s1023.photobucket.com/albums/af354/anticultist/?action=view&current=zdayempty1.jpg

here: http://s1023.photobucket.com/albums/af354/anticultist/?action=view&current=zdayempty2.jpg

here: http://s1023.photobucket.com/albums/af354/anticultist/?action=view&current=zdayempty2.jpg

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Were you even there VTV? [it seems as if you weren't to me] or are you just quoting Peters hype over here to make your shit look good ?

Source evidence taken from the member : Ben Partee's Photos - Zday 2010
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2377811&id=7717124

Please provide evidence it was packed or your untrustworthy hear say will be duly noted.

Angled close ups changing the perspective [like below] don't count either, I want to see a fully packed auditorium from the same angles I have provided above.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs448.ash1/24684_769261456788_7717124_43545478_1489434_n.jpg

"">http://s1023.photobucket.com/albums/af354/anticultist/?action=view&current=zdayempty2.jpg"

That looks neither sold out nor packed to me.

Well, my opinion is that VTV is probably one of the worst communicators I have ever seen. He's got a raging hardon to win every single discussion he engages in. That's fine if you're just some nerd on the Internets, but not so much when you're the spokesman for an organization.

TVP chose him to be their mouthpiece to the world. Why would you choose someone who can't differentiate between "your" and "you're" to speak to the world on your behalf? And not only that, but is aggressive as hell? The tone VTV used here isn't much different than the tone he uses on the actual movement forums.

The message I get from VTV is: "We love humanity, but hate everyone who disagrees."

New Age garbage with a misanthropic twist.

I don't think this is a very competent bunch of folks. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the only sense of legitimacy they get is from people like us calling them on their shit.

Well tickets for Z-Day event did indeed sell out a few weeks prior to the Z-Day date. So technically he isn't lying when he said that it sold out.

Anyone in the northeast during that time remembers, there was a unbelievably heavy rainstorm that day, which probably caused a lot, if not most, attendees to skip out.

It appears that the one thing that doesn't match up is VTV's usage of the word 'packed'. The event was indeed sold out, but not packed.

Images of the weather New York March 13th 2010 ZDay from the same photographer at the same event on the same day from the same facebook account where I took the crowd images [It doesnt look any worse than a typical Northern hemisphere weather front, in fact its worse in Northern Europe than this on regular days]:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs408.snc3/24684_769261192318_7717124_43545464_7163002_n.jpg</p>

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs408.snc3/24684_769261197308_7717124_43545465_166266_n.jpg</p>

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs448.ash1/24684_769261202298_7717124_43545466_6035333_n.jpg</p>

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs428.snc3/24684_769261616468_7717124_43545490_4797014_n.jpg</p>

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs428.snc3/24684_769261621458_7717124_43545491_712880_n.jpg</p>

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs408.snc3/24684_769261626448_7717124_43545492_2874186_n.jpg</p>

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs428.snc3/24684_769261721258_7717124_43545493_821201_n.jpg

"It appears that the one thing that doesn't match up is VTV's usage of the word 'packed'. The event was indeed sold out, but not packed."

I don't really think anyone is deliberately lying, whether anticultist or VTV or anyone else.

Anyways, I totally believe tickets sold out if they were available for purchase online. But I also think that the turnout would still have been abysmal regardless of the weather because this movement has a real problem making the jump from cyberspace to reallifespace.

I personally don't care whether the ZDay event those pictures came from really sold out or not or whether it was packed or it wasn't. That one event does not make for the "world wide events" that the movement claims happened or there would have been at least some media mention of it.

VTV also claimed that there were "world wide events."

I don't think some dude sitting in an empty library with a Zeitgeist shirt on counts as an event.

Arguing whether or not the venue those photos were taken from was really packed or not kinda misses the point that this was not a world wide phenomenon like the movement claimed it would be and was.

One of the big problems I have with the movement and its members is they use "resume speak" when making normal posts.

I know "resume speak" when I see it.

It is amazingly easy to turn the most mundane crap into a sensational event with just a little resume speak.

I don't think anyone is lying Ed. I just think the Zeitgeisters get a little carried away with their creative descriptions.

To add: I don't think the average Zeitgeister sits down to deliberately lie when they use these creative descriptions.

I just think they've spent a little too much time in an environment that tells you anything you imagine is possible.

@anticultist,

How did VTV even land the spokesman job? Is it just because of his conspiracy Internet radio show and the fact that he ran for public office once? I'd actually like to know.

He's really, really bad at it. I don't understand why they chose him to be their mouthpiece.

I think you're giving him too much credit with the NLP reference. I just think he's horrible at his job.

So he's the official spokesman when he isn't acting like a toolbox.

He must not be the official spokesman very often then.

VTV reminds me of Emperor Norton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton

Looks like it was already addressed. I was right and I was wrong. Where as anti-cultist was just wrong.

The event was sold out. There was horrible weather and therefore not as many people showed up as bought tickets. This is not a failure on the part of the Zeitgeist movement at all.

The stupid little comments about some guy sitting somewhere alone in a library doesn't describe even a quarter of the event reports we got during the international meeting where we reported our numbers in attendance. I already pointed out the UK Z-DAY with over 300 people.

Anti-cultist your point was still bullshit. As this thread proved. It was a pathetic attempt by you to try and state that if the ZM was doing well we would of had a good turnout for Z-day when we did have a good overall turnout as a worldwide movement. The NYC event was in fact sold out as was proven here, and weather prevented some people from showing up.

Again, your contribution means nothing. And you are nothing.

Have a nice day.

How was I wrong VTV i was the one who did the leg work to show you your empty piss ant debacle. Seriously the day you die from obesity I will smile. I mean that you lemon faced shit wipe.

Bad weather my ass, I provided the images of the weather it was a bit of rain, I provided the part empty auditorium images hence not a packed event like you exaggerated about.

Now suck up your shit like a good little zeitgeister.

Still waiting on your packed auditorium evidence to surface.

Still regardless VTV made the claim it was a sell out and PACKED.
sell out it seems so

packed Not at all.

You guys are just giving him a scapegoat with the weather. He hadn't even mentioned the weather or it being empty [not until you people said it was the reason it was empty], he claimed it was packed and now all of a sudden hes jumping about saying it was empty due to the weather.

So VTV was it packed or was it not packed ?