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scitops | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 10:25 |
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![]() Level: 4 CS Original | Today the jobless report showed that the economy added 162,000 jobs. How will Austrians explain this away? My guess is they will claim they were government jobs and their idiotic followers will eat it up. However even without the government jobs there are still over 120,000 new jobs created. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 11:01 |
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![]() Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | If the federal government decides to build a bridge, doesn't that create both wealth and jobs? People must be hired to build the bridge, and doesn't the bridge then open up more commercial opportunities for the community that the bridge is located in? I don't understand the ultra conservative argument that the government cannot create jobs or wealth. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 13:26 |
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![]() Level: 3 CS Original | I've got one: What if the government wants to return the U.S. to the gold standard, so it uses inmates in FEMA camps as slave labor to mine gold for the new coinage? | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 18:13 |
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![]() President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Didn't capitalism actually spell the end of slave labor, because it was realized people -- when not slaves -- were free to buy more, thus creating more value in the economy than if they were slaves. But who cares IT'S ABOUT POWER, NOT ABOUT MONEY, HARHAHRAHRHAHRAHRH | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 18:24 |
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![]() Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | If people would take just a brief moment to understand how the three branches of government function, it would show them how completely retarded the notion of a unified conspiracy is. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 18:38 |
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![]() Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | "What if the government wants to return the U.S. to the gold standard, so it uses inmates in FEMA camps as slave labor to mine gold for the new coinage?" Wasn't that similar to the plot of Battlefield Earth? | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 21:26 |
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![]() Level: 3 CS Original | @ Edward: Austrianists engage in human nature denialism about as much as the Zeitgeisters. Human males spontaneously form dominance hierarchies based on criteria other than economic rationality, which means that we'll just keep forming states, engaging in politics and finding ways to dump on low status people, no matter what utopians like Ron Paul or Jacque Fresco say. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 02, 2010 - 22:10 |
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![]() Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | advancedatheist is bringing out my inner conservative. I totally agree with him. I feel so dirty. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 02:46 |
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![]() Level: 4 CS Original | @Matt, I decided to ask an Austrian who was ranting about how the government doesn't create real jobs. His Post: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/54940.html</p> My question: "How do public sector jobs not add anything to the economy? If the government builds a bridge that companies use then doesn't that add to the economy. The New Deal allowed electricity and reduced flooding in my area which allowed companies to locate factories there. Without the Hoover Dam we wouldn't have Las Vegas." His response: "You're new to LRC, aren't you?" My reply: "Actually no, I read LRC fairly often. I know you guys have been saying the US is going to experience some kind of hyperinflationary collapse for not following your advice despite the fact that the economy has done just fine without it for generations. I know you have been claiming we would have no positive job growth in the private sector. I know you guys believe we are in a depression. You all have been predicting this for decades. I found a Time Magazine article from 1981 where you all claimed the United States is going to collapse by 1983. You all make lots of money for predicting doom, but it never comes to pass." His response: ? | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 04:47 |
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![]() President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | I await updates, I'd like to see what he says. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 07:47 |
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![]() Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "His response: "You're new to LRC, aren't you?"" Translation: LOL U NOOB What a dbag. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 09:31 |
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![]() Level: 3 CS Original | @ scitops:
How about this for an answer: "The fiat money we have to charge for our publications and conferences sends us false signals about the state of the economy, so it screws up our predictions. If we could receive payment in gold for these goods and services, we would receive accurate signals about the economy and therefore make better forecasts." | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 11:40 |
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![]() Level: 4 CS Original | His response: "May I ask how old you are?" | |||||
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cranberrysauce | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 12:00 |
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![]() Level: 1 CS Original | Employment is hardly an accurate means of assessing how healthy and stable an economy is, especially in the long run. Government jobs that involve building public infrastructure are good, though, if the reduction in transportation costs offsets the amount it costs to build/maintain them. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 13:04 |
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![]() Level: 3 CS Original | The growth of "jobs" in the servility sector (retail, hospitality, food service, etc.) probably drags down the whole economy. You can't sustain a middle class on the kinds of wages paid by Wal-Mart, now America's largest private employer. I think General Motors held that position in the 1950's, which shows how far into economic Opposite Land we've traveled. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 13:53 |
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![]() Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | "His response: "May I ask how old you are?"" Personally speaking, I'm 32 and I think he's a fringe nutball. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Apr 03, 2010 - 14:15 |
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![]() President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | >> Employment is hardly an accurate means of assessing how healthy and stable an economy is, especially in the long run. That's true, consider in the eastern bloc countries employment was near 100%. | |||||
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