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Of course he's not. He's Jeffree Star.

Well, not really. But he wants to be.

TZM itself is bullshit even if you remove conspiracy theories entirely.

Well, as I said at the start of the thread I went from the movement to a powerful political organization in Australia with virtually the same ideas - they're so much about overcoming the market system's limitations that they're like 2 footsteps from demanding it's removal anyway.

Our present government would have been a conservative minority if it wasn't for the Greens-Labor-Independent alliance. And our conservative party is like a wet dream for the american tea parties - they're really that bad.

Let me emphasise my earlier point by quoting myself:

I'm a paying member of the Greens now, which essentially has very similar policies on economics to ZM. All you have to do is read point 1 of official policy here to gather that: http://greens.org.au/policies/sustainable-economy/economics.</p>

Read that economics policy carefully and you'll see the same thread running through: 'the market system is failing humanity'.

This party will have the balance of power in the Senate from June.

Well that's my point in bringing it up, yes. And not to mention that it was key in keeping us out of the global financial crisis of 2008 by massively interfering in the market. #shockhorror
My point in bringing it up is important. When I was growing up, the Australian Greens were very small and very much ridiculed. They used to be labelled as tree-hugging hippies [insert whatever anti-environmentalist anti-humanistic phrase you want here]. My mother and father used to bitch about them all the time in political discussions. Well, the world has changed a lot because my mother voted Greens for the first time last election - which is true for a lot of people.
Point being if they can go from being the laughing stock of a nation - to the party that takes the largest single private donations of any party ever, to getting praise from academia all over the world - the ZM can too. Like it or not, they're very much capable of doing so.

@Ez I talk to a crazy green party person, they were promoting windmill technology and handing out pamphlets, they say to me that windmill has zero negative affects on the environment I jokingly throw in "What about all the birds that will get chopped up in the fans", the guy gives me a evil look and says " no that's impossible blah blah blah" I responded it's possible, and it was a joke", then he proceeded to attempt to get my credit card number and information thinking I'd donate to this loon. So maybe I think green technology is great but the people in those organizations I think are loons.

But Cynthia McKinney who I believe still is in the green party is pretty cool. I'll look into it. Yeah maybe it's not like the Zeitgeist Movement/venus project then after taking a look at it.

FILM STUDENTS OF THE WORLD UNITE AND SMASH THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM

There is a Green Party here but they are mainly focused on the environment.

That used to be their main focus here, but when they started to articulate policy on economics/international relations etc they started to gain power.

You can say that as much as you want but the problem is that a lot of their growth is coming from the 'baby boomers'. Not solely uni students. Even so, if all the uni students were the only ones voting Green then that means that in 10-15-20 years all their kids will be voting green etc etc,.

Well, you obviously missed my point. My point being that the majority of the Greens vote is not determined by students alone, but by baby boomers. You know, those people that had lots of kids and worked really hard and are now retired and wiser than fresh graduates? It's weird that many of them are racing to the Greens, then.

Not to mention the majority of the gay community which will probably always support the Greens because they're the only party with a track record for standing up for equal rights in this area.

And then on top of that, not to mention people that care passionately about the issue of climate change - they're probably going to support the Greens indefinitely too, because they're the only ones who have held a principled stance on this issue which is more important to the average Australian voter than voters in most other Western nations (meaning we as a country care about it more - having had the 'climate change election' in 2007)... I mean if it weren't for the Greens you and me would be getting taxed on KRudd's CPRS which was going to tax precisely the wrong group - the public rather than industry.

Well yes, in fairness you're right about the central Melbourne seat. That electorate is a hub for university students, yes. But the lesson of that loss is that Labor is losing it's younger generation voters because it is no longer seen as the progressive fighter for the underdog that it used to be, and that title is going to the Greens.

You don't need to believe me. The voter statistics are in a mail-out I received about two months ago. When I find the specific statistics I'm talking about (probably sometime during this week (we get a lot of mail-outs, so please be patient) I'll scan them up and post them for you if you'd like.

I would also say that the majority of young voters vote Greens because they have a conscience about the world future generations will inherit if we don't fundamentally change things. Same for the baby boomers, same for most Greens voters. It used to be a protest vote, now it's a vote that you do because you have a conscience.

And the people in the media that bitch about Bob Brown, very often, seem to be devoid of something that I was brought up to believe is core to social values.

I tend to agree with Matt's criticisms of the Green party in the US I've seen since I've been here.

I guess she's cool if you think flinging around crazy conspiracy theories is cool. I think she's a flake.

@Beauty Killer your in the U.S? and what makes U.S. green party differ from the Australian Green Party?

Well, the Australian Greens don't do what Matt is accusing Cynthia McKinney of doing.

Well lucky I don't need to seek your favour then.

Well of course it is, but they don't go around spreading conspiracy theories as you might suggest. Oh and they're powerful. But whatever.