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JoePosted: Jan 08, 2011 - 15:19
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I looked at some of the stuff this guy posted on the wall on the Face Book wall. I believe this guy is one of those "TZM is NWO" CTers.

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The Real RoxettePosted: Jan 08, 2011 - 15:35
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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I think he's one of those anti-Zionists or something.

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JoePosted: Jan 08, 2011 - 15:42
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I read some of his "articles"; they are junk. The TZM is not a cult; it is a bunch of dumb kids who think they are smart.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 08, 2011 - 17:11
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The website is rather flimsy in its thesis. TZM is not occult, its just plain stupid.

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james kushPosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 19:16
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Hi i wrote that blog. We are on the same team here. I think we can all agree that TZM is bullshit from the top down. My main point based on research into the z1 source list is that the Z1 movie is sourced primarily from fringe sources including occult/theosophy/and freemasonry. This type of sourcing is not limited to the first film and extends into addendum and other zeitgeist promotional material including the 2010 ZDAY motto that was recently removed because its masonic. Of course, the movement does not practice those things (freemasonry/theosophy/etc) but instead it spreads the beliefs of those groups when they share the z name and z film. Theres a ton of stuff wrong with TVP and TZM, i feel this information is the most damning. plus I think NWO and OCCULT is just junk, i dont believe in it, its quite humorous. Anyways, I have been a member here for a while and this is my first post, nice to meet you gentlemen. We are on the same team, and the same block/ban/censor list as well! http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=60&id=305663

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 19:18
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Why do you present all that occult silliness as being some sort of threat? Usually only whacked out Christian fundamentalists do that.

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james kushPosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 19:38
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The occult silliness is not a threat. It just shows how pathetic zeitgeist is.

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JoePosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 20:12
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The problem that I find with your site it that you try to debunk a CT group with another CT. Like this one for example thsat you use is Albert Pike and Freemasionry. But the problem with that is that most of the Albert Pike crape was started by a man named Leo Taxil; who confessed that he made it up.
http://www.themasonictrowel.com/masonic_talk/stb/stbs/93-06.htm<br /> http://www.masonicdictionary.com/taxil.html<br /> http://www.masonicinfo.com/taxil.htm

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james kushPosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 20:48
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My post on pike has absolutely to do with any of those links. This is the CT you presented that you claim i used:
"The Hoax Document
The following is the form, which the bogus quotation usually takes. It was later admitted by Taxil to be a hoax, yet to this day is quoted by those that would use it to slander Freemasonry:

Albert Pike 33°

"That which we must say to a crowd is - We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition.

To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees - The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine.

If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?

Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."

Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive in La Femme et l'Enfant dans la FrancMaconnerie Universelle on page 588"
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@JOE However, if you look at my post I give screenshots directly taken from original Pike source material:
http://zeitgeistmovements.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/picture-21.png (this is where zeitgeist pulled their zday2010 motto)
and here is another:
http://zeitgeistmovements.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/picture-761.png?w=448&h=156

And it is no doubt masonic:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/sr_house_of_the_temple.htm</p>

So im not into any CT, I went source by source into the material myself. im having a hard time finding anything in my blog that has to do with either of your links can you point it out to me perhaps?. I agree with you, that debunking a CT with another CT is a problem. I want to give a basis as to what kind of sources zeitgeist dug into when creating its propaganda and im using original sources, not CT.

I rechecked every quote on my page i can link each one directly back to source material. If you need more screenshots let me know.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BT4uAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Morals+and+dogma+of+the+Ancient+and+accepted+Scottish+rite+of+freemasonry&hl=en&ei=LHMqTY6eKoGdlgfIpOmfAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 20:49
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You should probably stop smoking pot.

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JoePosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 21:16
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I was not tring to say that you used Leo Taxil as a surce. I was tring to point out to you the whole Albert Pike was a satinists was manufatered by Leo Taxil. Leo Taxil did use a lots of Albert Pikes writtings in his haox; including Morals and Dogma.
As for as Morals and Dogma; it was never universally adoped by all branches of Freemasonry.

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JoePosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 21:32
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The prolem with Morals and Dogma is that is has been taken out of by many people in order to build on the Freemasions worship the devil myth. In fact all it ever has been is a book of rites of passage from one degree to the next. That is all.
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/pike_a/misquotes.html<br /> http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/moralsanddogma.html

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james kushPosted: Jan 09, 2011 - 22:07
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Sure thats why I include screenshots and links to the original source material. Thanks for the info.

http://www.archive.org/stream/moralsdogmaofanc00pikeiala#page/n3/mode/2up

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SkyPosted: Jan 10, 2011 - 07:08
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I can see a huge problem with the site in that you make all of these connections to occult stuff, however if you look into it further, you find that Peter Joseph is just ignorant of what he is talking about. For example, you are talking about TZM quoting Albert Pike, and then you connect Pike to the occult. Except it's apparent that Peter Joseph just found this quote on wikiquotes or some similar site and slapped it on his website without thinking, in fact he probably doesn't even know who Albert Pike is. How do I know this? Because remember the quote was missattributed on the ZM site to Albert PINE. This isn't a typo or deception though. There are a ton of websites that attribute this quote to Pine. At some point, a book or website misspelled Pikes name, and then others copied the error. So what this tells me is that PJ was looking through a list of "inspirational quotes" or whatever and found one to use and didn't check the source. Even worse, there is no real famous person named "Albert Pine" to get mixed up with, so we know that Peter didn't even bother to find out who the person he was quoting actually was. He could have quoted a Nazi war criminal and been none the wiser.

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james kushPosted: Jan 10, 2011 - 11:59
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Hi Sky. In fact peter does know who Albert Pike is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVSeAh_8_fc @4:15.

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 10, 2011 - 12:30
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I'm inclined to agree with Sky.

James, I think you give Merola far more credit than he deserves. Merola got those quotes in the same way people get quotes for Facebook status updates.

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james kushPosted: Jan 10, 2011 - 13:04
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Your right Matt. Maybe merola is just the dumbest **** thats walk the face of the planet. I think I will agree with both of you on this one!

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 10, 2011 - 13:32
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Merola's not the brightest crayon in the box, no. I think folks make the mistake of thinking he is when approaching Zeitgeist.

He's just some dumb pothead art school drop out that stole a bunch of shit from the Internet and mashed it up in a movie.

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SkyPosted: Jan 10, 2011 - 16:00
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I think that hilarious interview with Mike Dice proves my point, because it sounds to me like Peter was just puling stuff out of his ass and repeating stuff he has heard somewhere so that Mark Dice would think he knew what he was talking about and not accuse him of being part of the Illluminati again. He said that Freemasons in Bohemian Grove worship Molech the sun god, well of course he got the idea idea from Alex Jones who called the Bohemian Grove owl mascot Molech, even though the real mythological Molech is a bull. But now a Molech is a Sun God too, wouldn't that conflict with being represented by a nocturnal owl?

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