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AlphalifestylePosted: Nov 23, 2009 - 02:48
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Many conspiracy sites promote the idea, that IF there was/is a simple cure against cancer/AIDS/etc. it would never be released/published, because "Big Pharma" or the Medical Complex would fight it, because they earn so much money with chemotherapy and medication.
Is that a rational argument or can it be easily disproven?

They also often say, that our medical system is not designed to cure disease, but only to manage symptoms, because Big Pharma earns money with sick people they can sell medication to and not with healthy people.

They also say, that Doctors don't learn anything about health and healing, but only about Symptoms and Medication in their acadamic studies.

They also say we are under constant attack of toxins, plasticids, xeno-hormones from food, water and cosmetics, Electro Magnetic Waves, neurotoxins like Aspartame, heavy metals and other toxins, that are by purpose or not put all around us, to weaken us and that people should detoxify and eat organic, etc.

Is it true, that we have so many toxins in our envirmount? Is it clever to avoid them? Does "detoxification" work?

They also they that their performing of operations and surgical procedures,
of which opposing studies have reported 85 percent are
unnecessary and create more problems then they were intended
to prevent.
Connected with this I read several times, that the cause of death No1 or 2 worldwide is medical procedeure, that death by medication/operation is acounted for most death worldwide.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 23, 2009 - 03:23
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http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/health/hiv-aids/#s4b</p>

>> They also say, that Doctors don't learn anything about health and healing, but only about Symptoms and Medication in their acadamic studies.

They also often know nothing about what they're talking about -- the people saying that, that is. When is the last time a natural healer actually healed anything? Seriously? Did natural healers ever come up with ways to heal polio, small pox, hepatitis, diphtheria, etc. ?

>> They also say we are under constant attack of toxins, plasticids, xeno-hormones from food, water and cosmetics, Electro Magnetic Waves, neurotoxins like Aspartame, heavy metals and other toxins, that are by purpose or not put all around us, to weaken us and that people should detoxify and eat organic, etc.

All bullshit. Anyone who uses the word "toxins" probably doesn't know what they're talking about.

>> Is it true, that we have so many toxins in our envirmount?

No. Well, there are toxic things, like lead paint.

>> Is it clever to avoid them?

I wouldn't eat lead paint.

>> Does "detoxification" work?

Not at all.

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AlphalifestylePosted: Nov 23, 2009 - 04:49
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So were is the myth of our toxic enviourment coming from? Just a quick look on amazon reveals hundreds of books warning about the dangers of food additives, heavy metals, synthetic hormones, etc. in food, water and beauty products. I mean its not made up that the industries use alot of synthetics in there products right? And why then do more expensive products often advertise with "All natural products" "no synthetic addetives", etc just because people believe that?

I think it is really interesting, if you could elaborate a little more about why it is all bullshit or give me some links I would be really thankful. This is also something I considered as a fact for the longest part of my short life and its very difficult for me to believe, that its all bullshit. I mean the food industry are more interested in their profit than in our health, right? And even doctors tell you to eat organic and avoid processed food, because of all the addatives.

One more question: On many sites about bodybuidling and stuff they warn you to not drink, eat food from plastic containers and try to avoid plastic, because plasticids allegedly suppress testosterone and act as xeno-estrogenes that emasculate man. They say the rising exposer to plastic has to be hold responsible for the drop in average testosterone levels in males over the last 50 years.---> http://www.webmd.com/news/20061026/study-mens-testosterone-levels-down<br /> They always cite, that allegedly a group of scientists I think in the Amazonas region found that alligators have so degenerated genitalia that they can not mate anymore, due to a Contaminated Enviroument. ---> http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Alligator-Penis-Apopka-Guillette.htm</p>

So did the average testosterone level in males drop over the last 50 years? If not because of the heightened exposure to toxins, xeno-hormones, plastics, what is the reason?

Another assertion of the alternative health scene I don't know what to make out of, is that allegedly Soil Depletion in the last decades and connected Nutrient Deficiencies or more exactly a deficiency in minerals.
See this as an example: http://mindbodyandsole.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/soil-depletion-and-nutrient-deficiencies/</p>

And I mean these are the two main points alternative health "experts" base their therapies and supplements on:
1. Toxins in food, air, water und cosmetics that pollute us and disrupt the normal function of the body
2. Depleted soils, GMO and other factors, because of which our food "is often depleted of essential antioxidants, vitamins and minerals occurring from modern agricultural practices, processes, handling, shipping and storage, that make truly ‘fresh’ food rarely available"

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 23, 2009 - 04:54
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I hate to post a youtube video, but I'm rushed for time. I'll post again later on, but in the mean time, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxE9sYatPAs

Also, I don't deny that there aren't dangerous things being added to the environment, but honestly, the fact that "detoxification" is almost never fully explained, documented, or testable says a lot about it.

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AlphalifestylePosted: Nov 23, 2009 - 05:16
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That video is really interesting! Thank you. Makes sense.

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advancedatheistPosted: Nov 23, 2009 - 08:34
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The toxin phobia goes to show how much mainstream public health has succeeded. Real killers which used to wipe out or debilitate millions, like smallpox, scarlet fever, polio, cholera, typhoid, tuberculosis, etc., have largely dropped out of sight as threats to people's health in developed countries. So we now have the luxury to obsess over hypothetical or low-probability risks coming from, say, cell phones, or even H1N1. (They haven't had to dig mass graves for victims of the latter, I've noticed.)

Unfortunately the emotions generated by these irrational risk assessments can misdirect the use of scarce resources. Getting everyone basic health and dental care in the U.S. would do a lot more for general well being than worrying about man made chemicals in the environment, often present at such low concentrations that chemists a generation ago couldn't have detected them.

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BangPosted: Jan 15, 2010 - 00:41
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>> "They also say we are under constant attack of toxins, plasticids, xeno-hormones from food, water and cosmetics, Electro Magnetic Waves, neurotoxins like Aspartame, heavy metals and other toxins, that are by purpose or not put all around us, to weaken us and that people should detoxify and eat organic, etc.

All bullshit. Anyone who uses the word "toxins" probably doesn't know what they're talking about."

I don't understand. Are you denying that aspartame is toxic?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jan 15, 2010 - 01:22
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"toxic" and "toxins" are used in two different ways.

Typically a scientist or normal person says "toxic." Such as "Lead is toxic." However New Age people, alternative medicine people, etc will use "toxins" as a generic term with no definition "it will remove all of the toxins from your body."

Toxins does obviously have a real use, but it seems it's drifting towards pseudoscientific use, especially in the US, so typically when someone's using it, it's not hard to guess their position.

And are you saying you believe aspartame urban legends?

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BangPosted: Jan 15, 2010 - 02:47
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"And are you saying you believe aspartame urban legends?"

A quick glance at Blaylock's book will dispel the notion that aspartame is anything other than toxic.

You can order the book here: http://www.amazon.com/Excitotoxins-Taste-Russell-L-Blaylock/dp/0929173252/ref=pd_cp_b_0

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jan 15, 2010 - 02:57
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Ben, I'm going to wait a bit before ordering more books, I've sank several hundred dollars into buying books related to my site this year.

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BangPosted: Jan 15, 2010 - 03:04
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In that case, the documentary "Sweet Misery" is pretty straightforward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYSyJoNDf3E

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advancedatheistPosted: Jan 16, 2010 - 23:08
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Funny how nobody worries about the Haitians' exposure to the "toxins" America's scientifically illiterate hypochondriacs worry about. No, the Haitians have to worry about real health risks, like dehydration, violence, cholera and dysentery.

And I notice that nobody plans to fly to Port-Au-Prince to treat Haitians with Chinese "medicine" like qigong, acupuncture and feng shui.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 - 12:00
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"A quick glance at Blaylock's book will dispel the notion that aspartame is anything other than toxic.

You can order the book here: http://www.amazon.com/Excitotoxins-Taste-Russell-L-Blaylock/dp/0929173252/ref=pd_cp_b_0"

Blaylock!?!?!?!?!!!! Wow. Think you may be in need of some of his 'brain repair formula'
http://newportnutritionals.com/

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