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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 10:58
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Kaiser,

I am willing to engage in a serious conversation with you. But I didn't understand your last post.

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Agent MattPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 10:59
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Yeah, clearly I need to watch a film to "get it."

Sound familiar?

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 10:59
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oops, the monetary system got my last post too.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:01
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what site? What is going on? In all honesty, I think there are variables that aren't controlled well in the proposal. The existence of competitive global trade hinders total control over domestic economic conditions as evidenced by the problems experienced by the ISI economies of Latin America throughout the mid to late twentieth century. Even if, in a utopian world, one could create sustainable basic income policies, the global inequities as well as contingencies of non-economic happenings will always jeopardize the system..

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MuertosPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:01
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Why do I have a feeling GEI is going to post a wall of YouTube links and encourage us all to watch them to understand his "better way"?

Push-button utopianism. See my other post.

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Agent MattPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:03
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GUYS GUYS GUYS YOU GOTTA WATCH THIS CHOMSKY YOUTUBE VIDEO FROM TEN YEARS AGO

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:17
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Muertos, that's because you don't get it. But I don't blame you. The founder of demandTheGoodLife.com plays the clarinet. He is an expert. You are not. So you need to view my utube channel in order to get better educated.

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:21
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@Kaiser "The existence of competitive global trade hinders total control over domestic economic conditions"

What happens in the world does not affect a country's ability to use taxes to pay a basic income.

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Agent MattPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:26
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"What happens in the world does not affect a country's ability to use taxes to pay a basic income. "

Haha, wow.

You live in a fantasy world.

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MuertosPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:28
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Muertos, that's because you don't get it. But I don't blame you. The founder of demandTheGoodLife.com plays the clarinet. He is an expert. You are not. So you need to view my utube channel in order to get better educated.

Guys, I think GEI is a troll account and he's having fun with us.

This statement can be nothing but satire.

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:30
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Hey Matt, if you keep it up with your snide remarks, that contain zero substance, I am gonna force you to listen to Neil Kiernan's hour long lecture on ad hominens.

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Agent MattPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:35
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@GEI,

I understand what ad hominems are. They are my favorite way to post.

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MuertosPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:41
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Let's all put on elf ears and go to RenFest to make a better world!

OK, GEI, I admit you punk'd me. I thought you were serious there for a while.

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:42
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I am not a troll! In all seriousness, I think TZM is a joke. But that does not mean I think all ideas to improve the world are a joke. I do think the website I listed is a good idea and will improve the world. I am willing to have a serious discussion about that plan's merits.

But I am also willing to have a not-so-serious discussion about it. All I want to do here is just contribute a couple of lols.

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MuertosPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:55
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Well, you've certainly done that.

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The Burger KingPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:57
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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>>, I am gonna force you to listen to Neil Kiernan's hour long lecture on ad hominens.<<

The most VTV can teach a person is how to be fat and poor, as well as how to be a bad parent to extents that if child services got involved, they would deem VTV a unfitt parent in my opinion and would take them away from him.

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The Burger KingPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:57
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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double post

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Agent MattPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 11:57
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"All I want to do here is just contribute a couple of lols."

We're not laughing with you. We're laughing at you.

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 12:04
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"We're not laughing with you. We're laughing at you. "

I'll take 'em any way I can get them.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 12:06
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I'm going to burn this forum to the ground.

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The Burger KingPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 12:14
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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@Matt "We're not laughing with you. We're laughing at you.", remind me of a Danny Bonaduce.

Danny Bonaduce and Jonny Fairplay Brawl at Really Awards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wK2hFmxT4&NR

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CyborgJesusPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 14:10
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$18 trillion: Total National Income
$6.3 trillion: Total Revenue Raised From 35% Income Tax (6.3 = 18 * 35%)
$2.7 trillion: Total Revenue Raised From 15% FICA Tax (2.7 = 18 * 15%)
$9 trillion: Total Revenue Available To Pay Out In Dividends (9 = 6.3 + 2.7)

$4.4 trillion: Cost of Paying $20,000 To All 220 Million Adults
$3.8 trillion: Cost of Paying $30,000 To All 126 Million Workers
$0.3 trillion: Cost of Paying $30,000 To All 10 Million Unemployed/Volunteers
$0.5 trillion: Cost of Paying $30,000 To All 18 Million Students
$9 trillion: Total Cost Of Dividends (9 = 4.4 + 3.8 + 0.3 + 0.5)

Am I seeing that right, all tax money will be paid out in dividends?

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 14:27
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Yes. But the federal govt no longer has to do most of what it does (you eliminate the need for social security, medicaid, medicare and welfare). So after you subtract those services, the govt can continue all of its remaining programs on about $1 trillion which you can raise with a 4% income tax plus its existing user fees, tariffs and excise taxes.

Keep in mind this does not affect state taxes and states services.

If you go to demandthegoodlife.com/plan-wealth.asp the second half of the page explains how the dividend is calculated and how government is funded.

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KeppPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 16:23
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//And your philosophy that well things work for me so screw everyone else is not one everyone subscribes to.//

Strawman. Just because I don't concur with your utopian bullshit, it doesn't make that statement true.

//Some of these concepts are hard to grasp for someone with just a GED.//

I grasp enough to know you're ideas are retarded fantasies that will only ever exist on the internet.

//You are confused on where progress comes from. They don't come from people like you, they come from people with utopian ideas. //

That utopian shit only exists on the internet. It doesn't matter how loud you bark about this nonsense, it won't come true.

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KeppPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 16:40
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//And unlike you I recognize that a lot of what I accomplished is based on luck //

Yeah ok...

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Global Elite InternPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 16:42
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@Kepp

you're ideas are retarded

priceless

that will only ever exist on the internet.

A basic income, zero interest credit, automation and a transparent society already exists off the internets. You should get out more often.

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KeppPosted: Dec 08, 2010 - 16:45
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//priceless//

What's priceless is when save the world idiots with utopian fantasies expect a serious debate on a conspiracy debunking forum.

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