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MuertosPosted: Apr 23, 2010 - 20:26
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Brad, do you know a fellow named Ben? I think the two of you might get along rather well.

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Brad270Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 09:29
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Muetos:
I have never heard of him before. Does he explain why your "scientific" paper fails under the weight of remedial science knowledge?
Have a nice day.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2010 - 11:19
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So uh, say this whole global warming thing is a huge fraud.

What would be the point?

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MuertosPosted: Apr 24, 2010 - 11:31
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@ Matt:
To make money for Al Gore. Duh. Haven't you been paying attention to Brad's rantings for like 3 months now?

@ Brad:
I told you last week, we are not reopening the issues of either the Oregon Petition or the silly paper by your tobacco lobbyist heroes. Those horses are dead. Let's stop beating them, mkay?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2010 - 11:41
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"To make money for Al Gore. Duh. Haven't you been paying attention to Brad's rantings for like 3 months now?"

Oh okay. It requires one to believe in the whole puppet master thing.

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MuertosPosted: Apr 24, 2010 - 12:43
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"Oh okay. It requires one to believe in the whole puppet master thing."

Yeah, in a sense. The way I understand the conspiracy theory, at least as Brad has laid it out, is that some scientist (who? not sure) cooked up the erroneous idea of global warming, and then Al Gore, who (according to Brad) has no real understanding of science, picked up on the idea as a surefire way to make money. Because, you know, it isn't like Al Gore's family is rich or that he couldn't make money by investing in oil futures or something.

So then Al Gore started pushing the global warming lie, and tens of thousands of the world's scientists fell into line behind him. Gore was so powerful that he persuaded a blue-ribbon United Nations panel to endorse his lies in the IPCC Report, which was then itself endorsed by the top science boards of nearly every major country in the world. This despite the fact that the science behind global warming is so flimsy that it can be debunked by reference to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which (according to Brad) most scientists don't know about, or don't understand as well as he does, or maybe they were sick that day in science school or something. Because, you know, Al Gore is so terrifying and powerful a figure that tens of thousands of professionals from countries all over the world would never dare to speak against him. In fact, the only people who ARE willing to speak up against him are the 31,000 scientists (only 39 of whom are climatologists) who signed the Oregon Petition. You know, scientists like B.J. Honeycutt.

Then the thing really got going when Al Gore made his deceptive movie which made him even more powerful and trusted. But the whole thing started to crack when a couple of former tobacco lobbyist scientists published a paper that blew the whistle and pointed out the very simple fact that global warming violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Oh, and the hacked CRU emails. So now the whole facade is crumbling, and Al Gore spends night after night pacing the rooms of his empty mansion, shaking his fists and raging at the walls, "Why, God, WHY? Why did they have to find out about the Second Law of Thermodynamics?"

We can thank Brad for bringing this all to our attention.

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Brad270Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 16:18
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So you have no explanation of why YOUR "scientific" paper fails under remedial science knowledge.

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Brad270Posted: Apr 24, 2010 - 16:20
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No ad hominem attack on the list of anti-AGW scientists compiled by the U.S.Senate yet?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2010 - 16:32
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@Brad,

What is the purpose of the global warming conspiracy?

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MuertosPosted: Apr 24, 2010 - 17:11
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So you have no explanation of why YOUR "scientific" paper fails under remedial science knowledge.

I had an explanation 3 pages ago: it doesn't.

Please answer Matt's question. I think I know the answer you're going to say, but I'm curious to see if my prediction is correct.

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Brad270Posted: Apr 27, 2010 - 00:08
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Muertos:
Your paper “Proof Of Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect” by Arthur Smith is making a sphere rotating on a single axis as a representation for the Earth. Anyone that has taken High School science classes knows that the Earth is more like an oblate spheroid that obliquely rotates (tilted axis). The difference between the equatorial and polar radii is almost 22km. The Sun’s radiation output, while relatively stable, does vary considerably on a daily basis. The equipment to monitor the Sun’s output is sparse and has not been around for a great length of time. The axial tilt and wobble further complicate the calculations. His calculations for surface area that are absorbing radiation are flawed due to his simplification and the ensuing calculations are then also flawed. So he cannot have calculated an accurate “average temperature” of the Earth. This is one way your paper fails with remedial science knowledge.
Mr. Smith states “some layer above the planet must be absorbing or reflecting a significant fraction of the outgoing infrared radiation. i.e. the atmosphere must not be transparent to infrared.” Since it has been known for decades that CO2 absorbs frequencies around the 2.7, 4.3, and 15 µm bandwidths, it should be pretty straightforward to find this layer. Since we have been using radio and microwave signals for decades now and still have not found this layer yet, it doesn’t look likely that we will. Another way your paper fails with remedial science knowledge.
Mr. Smith states this layer will have its own temperature but he assumes the specific temperature is not relevant because they assume the heat capacity is low so it remains radiatively balanced through the day. The ozone layer which filters ultra violet radiation is a known layer of gas in the upper atmosphere and it has a heat capacity that brings its temperature up to around freezing. If the CO2 layer is so thin that it has a low heat capacity, then it can’t reflect anything significantly.

If you cannot see these obvious flaws then you are being intentionally obtuse, quite ignorant of science knowledge, or a brainwashed moron. Judging by your statements and demeanor, I suspect a combination of all three. There are flaws that are less remedial like the effect of cloud cover but, you remain focused on emotional arguments like consensus and ad hominem attacks to be able to comment on them.

The AGW theory relating to CO2 is flawed. The IPCC’s predictions have never panned out. Al Gore (Manbearpig) is the butt of jokes because he has taken the AGW predictions to extreme levels beyond what even the IPCC says. Thankfully, the popularity of AGW is falling so we won’t have to put up with the nonsense much longer. Face it, when the liberal comediennes like Stewart and Colbert are making jokes about it and Penthouse publishes an article against it, you’ve lost your popularity base. Society owes a big debt of gratitude to whoever released the CRU emails and documents, whether it was a hacker, whistleblower, or just some clerk complying with FOI requests.
Have a nice day.

Matt:
You said you weren’t going to try to find common ground with me and that suits me fine. There is no global warming conspiracy. AGW is just a poor scientific theory that some have managed to profit from, most notably Al Gore, commodity brokers, energy providers, and some governmental bodies.
On another note, you are a hate-filled ass. I would tell you to go fuck yourself but, you seem quite accomplished at it already so you don‘t need the practice.

Edward:
I’ve tried to keep it clean but, seeing how long you allow sophomoric tags to remain, I see its just a suggestion.

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EdPosted: Apr 27, 2010 - 08:00
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>>>Thankfully, the popularity of AGW is falling so we won’t have to put up with the nonsense much longer.

hahaha! Reminds me of Creationists that say any day now Evolution will be recognised as an unscientific theory.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Apr 27, 2010 - 16:05
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>> I’ve tried to keep it clean but, seeing how long you allow sophomoric tags to remain, I see its just a suggestion.

I don't have the time to read every tiny thing people put on my forums; I let people join under the assumption that we can act like grown ups and take things like grown ups too, if someone says something we don't like.

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Brad270Posted: May 11, 2010 - 19:49
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While there is not a global warming conspiracy, the AGW theory hasn't panned out and some governments and political hacks have made it into the biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind.

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EdPosted: May 11, 2010 - 20:07
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Yea okay Brad... whatever.

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MuertosPosted: May 12, 2010 - 12:45
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"...and some governments and political hacks have made it into the biggest hoax perpetrated on mankind."

And that is not a conspiracy theory how, exactly?

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EdPosted: May 12, 2010 - 14:46
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Shhh, just let Brad think what he wants... I think the lad is a bit shpecial.

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MuertosPosted: May 12, 2010 - 16:08
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Well, he'd better be careful. The British House of Commons, the East Anglia CRU, the United Nations and thousands of climatologists the world over quake in their boots at the mention of the name Al Gore and are willing to sacrifice scientific integrity to avoid crossing him, so he must be super duper powerful and scary.

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EdPosted: May 13, 2010 - 11:46
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I know I'd sacrifice my integrity for Al Gore. He is a hunk.

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Brad270Posted: May 17, 2010 - 20:13
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Muertos:
Still no ad hominem attack on the U.S. Senate Committee’s list of hundreds of scientists against the AGW theory? Still no explanation of why your “scientific” paper fails under remedial science knowledge? Do you still think Al Gore is just a politician so he can’t be a fraud? Considering how poorly the AGW theory has predicted climate, you must have a lot of FAITH in it. Have you and Ed joined the church of Al Gore?

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MuertosPosted: May 17, 2010 - 23:53
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Brad, we now have an article up on global warming denial. I put Gerlich and Tscheuschner in just for you. :) Considering that much of the research that went into the article was honed in the course of this debate with you, I'd like to thank you for the contribution to ConspiracyScience.com.

Here's the link: http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/wiki-global-warming-denial/

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Brad270Posted: May 18, 2010 - 01:30
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Muertos and Ed:
You have been lied to about the Petition Project, Frederick Seitz, and a whole lot more. Peter Sinclair aka “Greenman” is a lying sack of shit and you are naïve brainwashed morons for believing his ad hominem attacks.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2010/05/rebuttal-to-video-crock-of-week-32000.html

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EdPosted: May 18, 2010 - 07:33
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A lying sack of shit? I do love it when truthers call others liars, its so ironic.

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MuertosPosted: May 18, 2010 - 11:41
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The usual rejoinder from conspiracy theorists. We're "brainwashed," we're "being lied to," and any criticism of conspiracy icons is an "ad hominem." At least you didn't use the word "sheeple."

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