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JoePosted: Mar 07, 2010 - 21:38
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You you were once a CT. So let me take it as you are no longer awake; but that you went back to sleep. So why did you go back to sleep?

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Agent MattPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 07:24
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Perhaps he wanted to get laid and/or accepted by his fellow human beings as a rational person.

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Energy TurtlePosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 11:58
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The difference between conspiracy theorists and the rest of us, is that our "bullshit detectors" still work.

So, to answer your question, j_o_james' "bullshit detector" started working again.

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EdPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 13:05
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As a former CTer its because I realised the people I was trusting for information were liars, frauds, incompetents and ignorant. Those words aren't random insults either they are specific and correspond to every situation I came accross.

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JoePosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 16:18
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Proof Ed Proof

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Sil the ShillPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 16:40
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Yeah, Ed needed proof... and since CT'ers couldn't give it to him, he looked elsewhere.

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EdPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 16:51
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Sheeeh... where to start!

I'll just pick one or two things that jumps to mind about some famous truthers....

Alex Jones lying about what "pull it" meant, saying there were 500,000 coffins prepared by FEMA for martial law.
David Ray Griffin saying "no passengers on flight manifests" and still saying it as soon as 3 or so months ago.
Sophia from 9/11 Mysteries adding explosive sound effects to footage, then trying to rationalise it by calling it "sound design".
Loose Change by purposefully omitting all kinds of information in order to try and convince you their position was stronger than it was, like a video of a wobbly camera they claimed was a shockwave but left off the audio which showed it was just a camera shaking.
Steven Jones quoting official reports out of context so he could claim elements in the dust was unexpected and so suspicious and a refusal to see any other reason why they might be there.
Richard Gage for not understanding how sound works, for not understanding how explosives work, for comparing the WTC to buildings that and concrete cores and that were concrete reinforced and for making out that steel is nearly indistinguishable.
Michael Ruppert for going news story mining (that's his entire "research") but then incompetently or dishonesty neglects to tell rather you quite important information about the story.
Aaron Russo for saying the US tax code says income tax is voluntary.
Jim Hoffman for saying there are trillions of dollars missing and Rumsfeld admitted it a day before 911 and implying they used it for black ops. And wtc7.net for saying that that web archive removed news footage for nefarious reasons to this day, when they did it for perfectly logical reasons and had it back up within (if I remember) a month.

Pretty much all of them for quoting (many many) people out of context, all of them for making absurd contradictory and incoherent claims about what the purpose and methods used in using explosives at the WTC and ignoring the firefighters when they want to. For making statements about things as if they were confirmed facts when they are not at all ($00,000 wire transfer to Atta), for saying Silverstein made money, for having next to no accountability for their own errors and a willingness to believe anyone just because they may agree with them or seem to back up what they believe (for example, Anders Bjorkman (no planer))

I mean I could go on and on this, this is just off the top of my head right now. Its so much worse than I could express without spending a while coming up with a good essay on it (which I might do). I could probably write a freakin book on why I'm not a truther anymore and why they have no credibility whatsoever.

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j_o_jamesPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 18:18
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Basically, I went for a few years gobbling all the conspiracy information I could. Then it struck me as to why otherwise rational and sensible people couldn't believe the truth that was right in front of their eyes, if they only just connected the dots. In trying to understand these peoples' mindset and why they didn't believe in the conspiracies I did, I went from researching conspiracies to researching the "other side." What I found was that the information I was thinking was the truth turned out to be hearsay, misquoted interviews, speculation, assumptions, blanket statements, misunderstandings, and sometimes even flat out lies. This actually led me to question BOTH sides of the argument, which in turn let me to doing my own fact checking and not simply taking someone's word for anything.

Long story short, the "skeptics" provided a more logical and coherent argument that was supported by credible evidence. This web site is a wonderful example. And as far I know, it has not yet been directly debunked by conspiracy theorists.

As an aside, this is still one of my favorite YouTube videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IeXdiMz6I0

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EdPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 18:25
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I also echo the experience of James :)

(I cant watch the video right now, I've seen some funny legitimate (non CT) ownage of the Bush government so I know they are there :) and not just the easy Bushisms stuff!)

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j_o_jamesPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 18:35
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The video is a press interview where Donald Rumsfeld dodges questions. It's about 3 minutes long.

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EdPosted: Mar 08, 2010 - 18:48
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Sounds like Rummy, he did that a lot with the WMD stuff once people found out they had been making things up :DD

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