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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 19:49
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Discuss.

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sorryPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 19:53
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Jews save their money. Zionists spend ours.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 19:53
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Two answers:

For conspiracy theorists: No.
For everyone else: Yes.

For CTs everyone who disagrees with them is a Zionist and/or "secret Jew."

Zionism started as a socialist philosophy to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine, but today it's mostly the ideology that the State of Israel has complete domain of said region -- so not all Israelis are Zionists in this regard.

Then there's even stranger beliefs like Christian Zionism, which is basically support for the State of Israel due to the belief that in order for Jesus to return the State of Israel must exist.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 19:53
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Is there a difference when it comes to moonbats?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 19:54
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moonbats? you mean hippies?

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 20:07
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Far lefties.

Basically, I always see moonbats blasting on Christianity. When they blast on Israel or Zionists, is there a difference between blasting on Jews since they already show intolerance for other religions?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 20:25
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In my experience on the far left, people rail against Israel because it's the in thing to do, most can't tell you why -- if they do, you can often find opposing examples, which I'll demonstrate. They follow the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophy left over from the cold war.

Since many Arab states had connection to the USSR, Israel had connection to the US, therefore on the far left Israel is automatically wrong no matter what. Something I constantly bring up is that while it's obvious Israel's killing of innocent people is wrong, far left anti-Zionists never mention the same things happening in Arab countries they support. In fact, as far as I can tell, if an Israeli kills 1 Palestinian, it's a tragedy, but if an Arab kills hundreds of other Arabs, it's irrelevant.

I was often odd man out in the far left because I thought both sides were dangerous, insane, and irrational, which just like with CTs means I support Israel and give blow jobs it Yitzhak Rabin.

Though, I have noticed a rise in anti-Semitism on the far left, especially since the rise of the Internet.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 20:27
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Don't you mean "international bankers"?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 20:29
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I think you mean "banksters" and "international banking cartels."

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GenogzaPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 21:23
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"""Then there's even stranger beliefs like Christian Zionism, which is basically support for the State of Israel due to the belief that in order for Jesus to return the State of Israel must exist."""

You can find this most commonly in Neoconservatives.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 21:38
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An interesting thing I've noticed about moonbats is if you point out that Hamas doesn't want peace because they'd be out of a job, they reply with "yeah but that doesn't give Israel the right to kill Palestinian civilians!"

But no mention of the Israeli civilians that get blown up by suicide bombers.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:07
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I'd honestly rather live in Israel than the Gaza Strip where Hamas is. Hamas does things like shoot protesters and gun down grooms at weddings where music is played. I'm not sure why anyone who isn't an utter moron would take their side, but they do.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:20
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I think both sides have nutball extremists who keep a useful solution from happening.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:24
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That's my reasoning for saying "fuck this" to the entire thing.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:29
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So, like, what do we do there?

What do y'all think is the best idea?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:33
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Two state solution, stop playing games with both sides and tell them to figure it out. Some kind of ultimatum for both potential powers. No one really takes the situation seriously outside of those who think Israel should disappear, which is not going to happen, is a stupid belief, and anyone who believes it is naive and probably retarded.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:42
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Maybe there's nothing anybody can do because neither side will do what is necessary to do what anybody wants to do in the first place.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:48
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hence what I said before:

Fuck this.

Big fucking image loading...

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:53
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You should have given us images a long time ago.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 03, 2010 - 22:56
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Well, I'm glad I didn't reverse Eric's additions then.

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